They are not scabs, but they have volunteered to be.

True enough Frontseat. The point is to understand that UPS managers are not automatically SCABs. However, their acceptance of the position places them in jeopardy of becoming SCABs. You and I probably understand this, more information for the masses.

Is the issue between the union and the company the reason this job continues to be advertised? From the reading of the thread a current line pilot who applied for and accepted this position would no longer be represented by the union. Is that correct? If so, it would seem to be counterproductive to intentionally exclude a portion of the employee group. In my union experience we had to fight to get the management pilots to join and pay dues. To each his own I guess.

I do not buy into the scab argument. A scab is someone who crosses the picket line and does work the MEC has defined as struck work. Any other use of the word for personal benefit belittles its significance.

Aside from the union issues, and yes I do understand they are significant, are there any other reasons a current line pilot would not want this position? Pay, quality of life, retirement benefits, etc.?

Regards,

Jim

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Did you say quality of life??? Well we all know what that means in the dark side plus leaving the greatest union on earth that protected thier own while on furlough and join a bunch that deprived thier own management spouse from having health care while the executives and BOD were rewarding themselves with record bonuses and degrading 100 years of brand name of ups with cutbacks that finally lead to the biggest embarrassment of 2013 and to be a yes man for the rest of the career to this bunch. Jim thank you for the offer but no thank you.

I'm not saying it's not. And, I'm not trying to start a mud throwing fight. But, serious question for my UPS brothers. Without slandering every other labor union...What is it that makes the IPA "the greatest union on earth"?

Your contract?
Your structure?
Your dues?

We tried the independent route at FDX. And, it was a colossal failure. Obviously, not so at UPS. What is the IPA doing, or done, that makes it such a success, in your eyes.

It wasn't an offer as I do not work for UPS. I see this position posted quite frequently and I am just trying to understand the reason they can't fill it internally. Depending on the terms and conditions it could be a great improvement in quality of life from where I currently sit. Just trying to get all the facts without the emotions tossed in.

Jim

One word.......Unity.

So lets get this straight. 17 years ago the FQM pilots tried to join the IPA but got rejected by the union, company and court ? Now you guys want to call them scabs? Good luck ,no wonder I have trouble paying my dues every month....

Like ALPA it appears that a few insiders with an agenda at IPA can't see past their nose. Most labor unions actually want more members. I don't know the reasons why they weren't wanted but I'll bet my next paycheck it had to do with where they would be put on the seniority list. I'm sure some blowhard wanted to tack them to the bottom.

So were a couple of numbers worth it?

Jim,

You can find this discussion on other threads, but in a nutshell an IPA member that goes to management is not looked upon highly (to say the least) by the rank in file. When you leave the IPA to go to mgmt you lose your seniority number, your contract, and your tight to say "no".

They say jump, you say how high, no questions, period. No scheduling rules to follow in a CBA, and a loose interpretation of the FARs at best. Try working all day in the sim "checking" to be told to DH 6 hours after you finish for an 8 hour flight only to operate a 10 hour flight once you land. Obviously you would get some rest in a hotel somewhere in there right? Wrong. Sleep on the plane.

No more A fund, B fund, etc. (our mgmt has varying degrees of retirement, based on when you were hired). Hired as a manager in 88? Good deal (maybe), hired as a manager in '14??? Not so much.

The real rub is that these guys fly during furloughs, fly far limits, act like they know it all, and some have little or No experience, yet the are ALL check airmen. Case in point, our newest soon to be master check airmen on the 744. No intl experience, no 744 time (none) but did time at a legacy and was a ground instructor for us, so that makes it all ok, even by our bought and paid for govt agency.

Hopefully you get my point. As to the scab moniker? Some were, ALL would be if we ever went down that road again (97), or they get terminated, that simple. Want the job? Not me.

Most people have done enough research to know not to take that job, yet they fill it, either with IPA pilots (all FO's, to my knowledge not one IPA CPT has left the union to mgmt) looking to cash in, or people you really don't want to go straight to the left seat of anything, unless it's a British auto, yet we let it go on and on.......,,

It's a cancer, and it needs chemo.

Carry on........