Who'd vote to ratify this?

- Split the pay on current positions: 18/3/3/3,
- No change to current PS
- Full retro to January 1st if ratified by end of year
- Accept company 76 seat proposal
- Leave all other AIP's as they stand

Note: mods please sticky

What about vacation and training pay and credit? You might not have heard, but people want significant QOL advancements in this, the best negotiating environment ever. Pay and credit those at 5:15 to get closer to FedEx (but still lag well behind them) and I'd be a Yes. Pay and credit them like the last TA and I'm an easy No.

I don't think you "split" the out years. Maybe you should modify it to 18-5-4-3. Just a thought. Personally I think the AIPs need a "little tweaking," but hey it's your poll.

No thanks


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I agree that vacation/training pay need increased. I could live with 3:45 pay and credit(and maybe higher for training, like 5. shouldn't "lose" money going to training).
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote

Close. Increases in training/vacation and DC. Modify the most heinous part of SL. If no other "hidden gems", I'd support it. And I think it would pass memrat.

1:30 more per day of vacation and training is huge.

What part of quality of life do you not understand?

Captain Dickson has promised industry leading work rules and benefits. His position is a joke. Maybe Randy Babbitt can give him some advice.

Given Bastian's almost $4 Billion annually going to the shareholders, the TA you describe is a miserable failure.

Not in the hunt.

I don't like the sick leave as AIPd and I'm not interested in helping out with 76 seaters without a significant reach around (because yes, we are taking it in the behind if we relax scope). Who knows what help the company would want on the wide body end, I'm even less interested in helping there. I said no to your poll and would need a few pretty big tweaks in our favor to make it a yes.

Great post Mike.

We are definately going to bring Bastian instantly into JV scope compliance.

That's a no for me alone, but when we do that the pilots will expect immediate penalties and far larger improvements than our current table position in hourly rates, DC, vacation and training pay.

I'll take that deal with 16% DC Jan 1st and 3:45 pay for vacation. 3:15 credit can stay status quo. Time off has been pretty good. Pay bad. Also accept company proposal for training pay.

This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.