View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
Voters: 279. You may not vote on this poll
Possible TA?
09-17-2016, 09:36 AM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,459
-No because of increased 76 seaters at DCI
-No because there is a lack of JV scope improvement.
-No because of pay no credit vacation.
-No because of the sick leave AIP.
-No because training pay is below daily guarantee.
Yes, the pay could be acceptable if the AIPs are fixed.
Yes if PS is left alone
Yes if the proposal is actual retro pay. Retirees, deceased and those departing on good terms must be included.
3 down 5 to go in my book
-No because there is a lack of JV scope improvement.
-No because of pay no credit vacation.
-No because of the sick leave AIP.
-No because training pay is below daily guarantee.
Yes, the pay could be acceptable if the AIPs are fixed.
Yes if PS is left alone
Yes if the proposal is actual retro pay. Retirees, deceased and those departing on good terms must be included.
3 down 5 to go in my book
09-17-2016, 09:49 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 654
This is all well and good, but bear two things in mind:
1) I'm certain someone reads this stuff for mgmt.
2) Mgmt won't budge, and won't negotiate. And while they dig in, they see us getting ever more flexible on Web forums.
If they had shown any reasonable flexibility during the last round, maybe this would be different.
1) I'm certain someone reads this stuff for mgmt.
2) Mgmt won't budge, and won't negotiate. And while they dig in, they see us getting ever more flexible on Web forums.
If they had shown any reasonable flexibility during the last round, maybe this would be different.
09-17-2016, 10:05 AM
#43
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,033
Originally Posted by Trip7
You need to write your rep then to take only COLA increases (3/3/3/3) and focus only on more days off. Or bid RSV FO on 777/330/764. If you're a commuter all bets are off.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
09-17-2016, 10:22 AM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: M88 B
Posts: 399
Originally Posted by Trip7
If I had a choice Lee Moak would be MEC Chair or on Strategic Planning Admin with RH. Brilliant long term and analytical thinkers.
They can have my Pension. The Pension and the DC 401k are the same except risk is shifted to different places. I'd rather take the risk and the money in my own name. Compound interest is wonderful.
I don't follow your other gripes. QOL is remaining the same with more options if you want to work more. I don't expect any changes to PS in the new deal.
They can have my Pension. The Pension and the DC 401k are the same except risk is shifted to different places. I'd rather take the risk and the money in my own name. Compound interest is wonderful.
I don't follow your other gripes. QOL is remaining the same with more options if you want to work more. I don't expect any changes to PS in the new deal.
09-17-2016, 11:14 AM
#45
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Power top
Posts: 2,959
Originally Posted by Trip7
If I had a choice Lee Moak would be MEC Chair or on Strategic Planning Admin with RH. Brilliant long term and analytical thinkers.
They can have my Pension. The Pension and the DC 401k are the same except risk is shifted to different places. I'd rather take the risk and the money in my own name. Compound interest is wonderful.
I don't follow your other gripes. QOL is remaining the same with more options if you want to work more. I don't expect any changes to PS in the new deal.
They can have my Pension. The Pension and the DC 401k are the same except risk is shifted to different places. I'd rather take the risk and the money in my own name. Compound interest is wonderful.
I don't follow your other gripes. QOL is remaining the same with more options if you want to work more. I don't expect any changes to PS in the new deal.
09-17-2016, 01:24 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 226
So 55 people voted no which are the 55 people who visit this site every day. The yes voters are management obviously 
I don't think this is a true indication what the pilot group as a whole thinks. Why can't we get a survey online where whoever wants to participate can? It would be the most realistic thing other than an actual ta to vote on that shows where we are at?
I don't think this is a true indication what the pilot group as a whole thinks. Why can't we get a survey online where whoever wants to participate can? It would be the most realistic thing other than an actual ta to vote on that shows where we are at?
09-17-2016, 01:31 PM
#47
Sick of whiners
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: 767 VEOP
Posts: 507
Originally Posted by gzsg
Great post Mike.
We are definately going to bring Bastian instantly into JV scope compliance.
That's a no for me alone, but when we do that the pilots will expect immediate penalties and far larger improvements than our current table position in hourly rates, DC, vacation and training pay.
We are definately going to bring Bastian instantly into JV scope compliance.
That's a no for me alone, but when we do that the pilots will expect immediate penalties and far larger improvements than our current table position in hourly rates, DC, vacation and training pay.
OK, gzsg, I'll add that to the list of the other 637 items that are a no vote for you.
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I'm a little dense, but I think I finally figured out your M.O. You want ANY AND EVERY ALPA generated TA to fail to allow you to insert the Divisive Pilots Ass. as our collective bargaining agent instead of APLA. When I frame your posts with that goal in mind, your single-minded bizarre rants against every facet of the process so far exposes your true motive.
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Fortunately, the vast majority of line pilots don't share your depressing outlook of the world.
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09-17-2016, 01:47 PM
#48
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,237
Originally Posted by Delta2heavy
So 55 people voted no which are the 55 people who visit this site every day. The yes voters are management obviously
I don't think this is a true indication what the pilot group as a whole thinks. Why can't we get a survey online where whoever wants to participate can? It would be the most realistic thing other than an actual ta to vote on that shows where we are at?
I don't think this is a true indication what the pilot group as a whole thinks. Why can't we get a survey online where whoever wants to participate can? It would be the most realistic thing other than an actual ta to vote on that shows where we are at?
09-17-2016, 01:57 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Originally Posted by msprj2
Only requirement to vote is forum member. I would guess less than half are DAL pilots.
I'd love an online poll of all the Delta pilots. Captain Malone strongly opposes them and wastes hundreds of thousands on telephone polling. Which interpreted the way the guy who writes the check wants it to be.
There is no excuse for not polling all the Delta pilots online for $300 a year. It builds unity and credibility. Phone polling is 1960s. Online polling allows time to think.
