View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
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Possible TA?
09-17-2016, 08:09 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 341
Originally Posted by Trip7
You need to write your rep then to take only COLA increases (3/3/3/3) and focus only on more days off. Or bid RSV FO on 777/330/764. If you're a commuter all bets are off.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
Spoken like a true Moakist. His doctrine is alive and well. Work more....make more......paid for by gutting QOL. Cost neutral for the company. Ed and Steve thank you for your generous give back on efficiency and productivity. They already have your pension. Next go around it will certainly be the Profit Sharing. All while making billions of dollars for the forseeable future and with a massive training crunch coming. We have leverage that was only dreamed of by airline pilots of the past and we have found a way to concede and pizz it away.
09-17-2016, 08:14 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
Originally Posted by gopher3
Spoken like a true Moakist. His doctrine is alive and well. Work more....make more......paid for by gutting QOL. Cost neutral for the company. Ed and Steve thank you for your generous give back on efficiency and productivity. They already have your pension. Next go around it will certainly be the Profit Sharing. All while making billions of dollars for the forseeable future and with a massive training crunch coming. We have leverage that was only dreamed of by airline pilots of the past and we have found a way to concede and pizz it away.
09-17-2016, 08:17 AM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Originally Posted by Trip7
You need to write your rep then to take only COLA increases (3/3/3/3) and focus only on more days off. Or bid RSV FO on 777/330/764. If you're a commuter all bets are off.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
Bastian is returning $4 Billion annually to the shareholders.
This is what I don't understand about you guys.
At what point are concessions not necessary?
$8 billion? $18 billion? $80 billion?
NONE OF US EVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED AN AIR LINE BEING THIS PROFITABLE
and you want more concessions and say we can move off our bankruptcy vacation.
09-17-2016, 08:29 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
i dont get it either.
one would think those guys would be orgasmic over the prospect of substantial and restorative gains in this agreement.......and the galactic give away possibilities it would portend for our next agreement?
one would think those guys would be orgasmic over the prospect of substantial and restorative gains in this agreement.......and the galactic give away possibilities it would portend for our next agreement?
09-17-2016, 08:39 AM
#26
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 830
Originally Posted by Cogf16
I agree that vacation/training pay need increased. I could live with 3:45 pay and credit(and maybe higher for training, like 5. shouldn't "lose" money going to training).
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
09-17-2016, 08:44 AM
#27
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 830
Originally Posted by Trip7
You need to write your rep then to take only COLA increases (3/3/3/3) and focus only on more days off. Or bid RSV FO on 777/330/764. If you're a commuter all bets are off.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
09-17-2016, 08:44 AM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,504
Originally Posted by Trip7
I'll take that deal with 16% DC Jan 1st and 3:45 pay for vacation. 3:15 credit can stay status quo. Time off has been pretty good. Pay bad. Also accept company proposal for training pay.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
