View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
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Possible TA?
09-17-2016, 06:48 AM
#11
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Posts: 3,108
Originally Posted by Trip7
I'll take that deal with 16% DC Jan 1st and 3:45 pay for vacation. 3:15 credit can stay status quo. Time off has been pretty good. Pay bad. Also accept company proposal for training pay.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
09-17-2016, 06:48 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by gzsg
Great post Mike.
We are definately going to bring Bastian instantly into JV scope compliance.
That's a no for me alone, but when we do that the pilots will expect immediate penalties and far larger improvements than our current table position in hourly rates, DC, vacation and training pay.
We are definately going to bring Bastian instantly into JV scope compliance.
That's a no for me alone, but when we do that the pilots will expect immediate penalties and far larger improvements than our current table position in hourly rates, DC, vacation and training pay.
Also, repeat to yourself....Global Protection Trumps Theatre Protection
09-17-2016, 07:10 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Originally Posted by Trip7
TVM
I will admit, you were 110% right on TA15. This deal should be much much better as long as we don't over reach and lose TVM
I will admit, you were 110% right on TA15. This deal should be much much better as long as we don't over reach and lose TVM
Any TA without it will fail 80% No.
09-17-2016, 07:17 AM
#15
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Posts: 4,909
Originally Posted by Cogf16
I agree that vacation/training pay need increased. I could live with 3:45 pay and credit(and maybe higher for training, like 5. shouldn't "lose" money going to training).
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
I don't need more money. My PS check will be adequate as is. Do I WANT more money? Sure, I won't turn that down. But not in the absence of what I DO need, which is more time off and more schedule control. I have no interest in being industry-trailing in these aspects. In other posts, I've offered to accept more weeks of vacation if they want continue paying and crediting it poorly.
I asked my 4 year old if she'd rather have me home more over the next 14 years, or have more money in my bank account. She chose the former, as did my wife.
09-17-2016, 07:25 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by TED74
Sounds like the company has an easy path to yes with voters like me, then, if we're not far apart. You say you could live with 3:45 pay and credit, but the company hasn't even gotten that "generous" in any offerings I've seen (also not reflected in this statistically irrelevant poll).
I don't need more money. My PS check will be adequate as is. Do I WANT more money? Sure, I won't turn that down. But not in the absence of what I DO need, which is more time off and more schedule control. I have no interest in being industry-trailing in these aspects. In other posts, I've offered to accept more weeks of vacation if they want continue paying and crediting it poorly.
I asked my 4 year old if she'd rather have me home more over the next 14 years, or have more money in my bank account. She chose the former, as did my wife.
I don't need more money. My PS check will be adequate as is. Do I WANT more money? Sure, I won't turn that down. But not in the absence of what I DO need, which is more time off and more schedule control. I have no interest in being industry-trailing in these aspects. In other posts, I've offered to accept more weeks of vacation if they want continue paying and crediting it poorly.
I asked my 4 year old if she'd rather have me home more over the next 14 years, or have more money in my bank account. She chose the former, as did my wife.
We are not going to get more money and more time off in this environment.
The union is shooting for more pay while maintaining same QOL. If you want to work more more options like vacation sellback will be available.
09-17-2016, 07:35 AM
#18
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Posts: 988
Originally Posted by Cogf16
I agree that vacation/training pay need increased. I could live with 3:45 pay and credit(and maybe higher for training, like 5. shouldn't "lose" money going to training).
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
But you'd vote for it with 5 hrs. pay for these, but you're an easy NO if its only 3:45??? Your vote changes for 1:30 or so on this pay???? Wow. That's probably less than 3 or 4 % of the value of the increases. Full retro and PS is probably 70K in 2 checks we'd receive in the next 6 months. I'd get over the reduced training/vacation pay if it came to a vote
09-17-2016, 07:54 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
Originally Posted by Trip7
I'll take that deal with 16% DC Jan 1st and 3:45 pay for vacation. 3:15 credit can stay status quo. Time off has been pretty good. Pay bad. Also accept company proposal for training pay.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
This thing can be wrapped up next week with a middle ground proposal like this.
TEN
