Originally Posted by TED74

It can vary, but I'm certainly not working the 12 days/month schedule this profession used to offer. As you know, 63 hours at the guarantee isn't going to cut it for most of us. Long trips would probably be more efficient, but they just aren't compatible with my family life at the moment - I prefer 3-day and 2-day trips. With a notional 75 hour month, that's quite a handful of drives to and from the airport.

NEED is an interesting word that I probably shouldn't have used. I know some people down on their luck who have real needs. But I wouldn't mind having the extra days off that I see my buddies at SWA, AA and FedEx get. You have me wondering if my AA bud needs the 7 extra days he gets this year over me, or if my UAL buddies will really need the extra 7 they'll have every year for the 8 years when our kids are in High School and College. My head hurts when I wonder why my box-flying FedEx friends will always have (need?) more vacation than me, why it will pay almost twice as much as mine, and why they can have amazing schedule control for family vacations during the off-school summer months. And I wonder how life would be with UPS pilots' ability to guarantee four weeks off from work for every two weeks of vacation to their name. Surely they don't need it any more than SWA pilots need to turn their week off into two with touching trip drops.

Originally Posted by TED74

Sounds like 6:00 or 6:30 is the logical next step as we march out of bankruptcy! One of the few places I'll concede productivity to management is incentivizing flying us instead of sitting us on the road.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I have been here a long time. Domestically the 12 day line was the holy grail. We have always had them and we still have them. They were never all that plentiful. You always had to be senior to hold them.
Had management stuck with the plan they once had to get down to three fleet types they might be more plentiful today however the nature of a hub and spoke airline makes it tough.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

holy grail? Ask an SWA pilot what they earn for 12 days of work? Spoiler alert, about 105 hrs of pay. The 717 pilots have to work 21.5 to make that. At an almost 7 hour min day, that's why they sat on their industry leading contract for about 5 years, only to further improve it, without giving up PBS and trips touching. Keep up with the silly holy grail talk sailing, it's par for your can't do course.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

holy grail? Ask an SWA pilot what they earn for 12 days of work? Spoiler alert, about 105 hrs of pay. The 717 pilots have to work 21.5 to make that. At an almost 7 hour min day, that's why they sat on their industry leading contract for about 5 years, only to further improve it, without giving up PBS and trips touching. Keep up with the silly holy grail talk sailing, it's par for your can't do course.

Originally Posted by formerdal

You converted the wrong direction....

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Not according to the publication put out by the SW Union but what do they know!
P.S. I took a look at the Sep 737 bid results in ATL and was stunned to find 12 day lines common and much further down the list then I expected.

Originally Posted by tmontana

The duplicated poll over at chitchat is an even more stark downvote. All are Delta pilots there. What does that tell you about this poll's voters?

Originally Posted by Delta2heavy

On chit chat that poll represents 0.02 percent of our 13400 plus pilot group
That's why I'm curious to see what the pilot group as a whole thinks. A lot of people probably don't even know what chit chat is. We need a full online survey that all of us can participate in

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Not according to the publication put out by the SW Union but what do they know!
P.S. I took a look at the Sep 737 bid results in ATL and was stunned to find 12 day lines common and much further down the list then I expected.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

This was our jumpseaters average month, month after month. I looked at the first 3 pages of 73NB in ATL for Sep. Many only worked 11 or 12 days. Not one had an initial credit of 80 hours for the month.