gzsg

Monkey.........

404yxl

Nope. Lie, period

Southwest got full retro for their deceased pilots. The only way the Delta pilots don't get full retro is if they vote in no retro.

You're too funny tsquared

sailingfun

Here is one of many quotes about the retro pay SWA is getting from a SW pilot.


Can anyone make sense of the retro? It can't possibly be only 3% of 2013 earnings, 4 % of 2014, & 4% of 2015. Please tell me that's not what they agreed to. That's nowhere near full snap-up retro.

Here is another of many:
Okay, but what about the 15% that we should have gotten on the amendable date in August of 2012 if you applied this TA to that date? No 15% on 2012?! Are you kidding me? That makes the retro a joke.

If it takes 3 more years to get a contract and they make the raises 3,4,4, and 16 and pay retro on those raises I want to see what you post. Will you call it full retro???

Tanker1497

Full retro, pay rates...same old argument from you. A lot of pilots will look at the whole deal. Our table position now, with the AIPs doesn't pass. Settle in for the long haul, this will take another 15 months or so.

Hawaii50

Better be freaking enormous with not one give if it does. We're fortunate to have the transparency we have. Can't think of another airline negotiation that's ever had anything like it. Could be tough on the MEC if it does drag out though since everyone can measure the progress. It took you 15 months just to get (get rid of) that?

TED74

It can vary, but I'm certainly not working the 12 days/month schedule this profession used to offer. As you know, 63 hours at the guarantee isn't going to cut it for most of us. Long trips would probably be more efficient, but they just aren't compatible with my family life at the moment - I prefer 3-day and 2-day trips. With a notional 75 hour month, that's quite a handful of drives to and from the airport.

NEED is an interesting word that I probably shouldn't have used. I know some people down on their luck who have real needs. But I wouldn't mind having the extra days off that I see my buddies at SWA, AA and FedEx get. You have me wondering if my AA bud needs the 7 extra days he gets this year over me, or if my UAL buddies will really need the extra 7 they'll have every year for the 8 years when our kids are in High School and College. My head hurts when I wonder why my box-flying FedEx friends will always have (need?) more vacation than me, why it will pay almost twice as much as mine, and why they can have amazing schedule control for family vacations during the off-school summer months. And I wonder how life would be with UPS pilots' ability to guarantee four weeks off from work for every two weeks of vacation to their name. Surely they don't need it any more than SWA pilots need to turn their week off into two with touching trip drops.

Hawaii50

Rigs are one of the best ways to improve Qol. My life improved dramatically with 5:15 adc. Vacation would make a bit of an impact but rigs are huge. Strangely I haven't seen much discussion on improving them. Imagine a bid package filled with 20 hour 3 days and 26 hour 4 days. You're paying your bills on 12 days a month.

TED74

5:15 is all I've ever known, but I'm happy to explore 20 hour 3-days and 26-hour 4-days!

formerdal

There didn't use to be any guarantee for the 30 hour layovers....thus 3 days worth 10:30. Then they went to 4:30/day then 5:15, so now a 3 day with a 30 hr layover pays the same as any other 3 day.

TED74

Sounds like 6:00 or 6:30 is the logical next step as we march out of bankruptcy! One of the few places I'll concede productivity to management is incentivizing flying us instead of sitting us on the road.