Skywest training is the BEST in the regionals
09-24-2017, 11:36 PM
#41
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[QUOTE=gainzbruh;2435440]
The fact that you even sit around for a month waiting for IOE tells me your training needs work because that's literally setting somebody up for failure, even Horizon air yes horizon recognizes this and try's to avoid this issue. Even if you chair fly everyday the fact you're not constantly in a learning environment or actively flying is going to hurt you in some way, others won't have as much a issue but there shouldn't be any delays. I literally started IOE two days after my sim check and I'm happy I jumped right into it and passed with flying colors. Unless you've worked at another regional let me tell you the training may be good at Skywest and I won't take that away from you guys but to say it's the best in the industry lmao.
Originally Posted by DLocked
The training materials are good - better than Delta's according to a friend there.
The long breaks in the middle of sim training, before IOE, and even during IOE set students up for failure according to the LCA's and other pilot friends. That's been the biggest disappointment.
-most of us had a month wait for ioe. study EVERYTHING, and ask your lca questions when you show up. call him/her the night before you start your ioe trip to introduce yourself and clear any questions up. that sets the tone for how things are going to go. if people aren't studying and sit around for a month doing nothing and fail their line check or need extra ioe because of it, that's their own fault.
The long breaks in the middle of sim training, before IOE, and even during IOE set students up for failure according to the LCA's and other pilot friends. That's been the biggest disappointment.
-most of us had a month wait for ioe. study EVERYTHING, and ask your lca questions when you show up. call him/her the night before you start your ioe trip to introduce yourself and clear any questions up. that sets the tone for how things are going to go. if people aren't studying and sit around for a month doing nothing and fail their line check or need extra ioe because of it, that's their own fault.
The fact that you even sit around for a month waiting for IOE tells me your training needs work because that's literally setting somebody up for failure, even Horizon air yes horizon recognizes this and try's to avoid this issue. Even if you chair fly everyday the fact you're not constantly in a learning environment or actively flying is going to hurt you in some way, others won't have as much a issue but there shouldn't be any delays. I literally started IOE two days after my sim check and I'm happy I jumped right into it and passed with flying colors. Unless you've worked at another regional let me tell you the training may be good at Skywest and I won't take that away from you guys but to say it's the best in the industry lmao.
09-25-2017, 06:39 AM
#43
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[QUOTE=OregonAviator;2435594]
The fact that you even sit around for a month waiting for IOE tells me your training needs work because that's literally setting somebody up for failure, even Horizon air yes horizon recognizes this and try's to avoid this issue. Even if you chair fly everyday the fact you're not constantly in a learning environment or actively flying is going to hurt you in some way, others won't have as much a issue but there shouldn't be any delays. I literally started IOE two days after my sim check and I'm happy I jumped right into it and passed with flying colors. Unless you've worked at another regional let me tell you the training may be good at Skywest and I won't take that away from you guys but to say it's the best in the industry lmao.
The issue really is the FAA.
1) They only allow X% of a pilot group to be qualified as LCAs.
2) Whenever CKA turnover occurs, there is a bottle-neck with the FAA to make new ones.
So X% is designed for steady-state ops. But with high attrition/growth, you need more than X%, but you actually have less than X% available.
Since CKA availability is the "long pole" in the tent, they want to have a pool of trainees available so they never waste a CKA by flying him without a trainee.
Originally Posted by gainzbruh
The fact that you even sit around for a month waiting for IOE tells me your training needs work because that's literally setting somebody up for failure, even Horizon air yes horizon recognizes this and try's to avoid this issue. Even if you chair fly everyday the fact you're not constantly in a learning environment or actively flying is going to hurt you in some way, others won't have as much a issue but there shouldn't be any delays. I literally started IOE two days after my sim check and I'm happy I jumped right into it and passed with flying colors. Unless you've worked at another regional let me tell you the training may be good at Skywest and I won't take that away from you guys but to say it's the best in the industry lmao.
Originally Posted by amcnd
Our FAA cmo can only handle 6 new check airmen rides a month... that slows it down... we lost a ton of CKA this summer...
On the bright side they just rand a CKA class last week..
On the bright side they just rand a CKA class last week..
1) They only allow X% of a pilot group to be qualified as LCAs.
2) Whenever CKA turnover occurs, there is a bottle-neck with the FAA to make new ones.
So X% is designed for steady-state ops. But with high attrition/growth, you need more than X%, but you actually have less than X% available.
Since CKA availability is the "long pole" in the tent, they want to have a pool of trainees available so they never waste a CKA by flying him without a trainee.
09-25-2017, 11:01 AM
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[QUOTE=rickair7777;2435651]
The issue really is the FAA.
I beg to differ. Management should have shrunk the classes to match what the training can handle. And that doesn't explain the overbooked sims that led to a 5 day break in the middle of 5 days of maneuvers.
Most people were up to 6-8 weeks wait for IOE even before the summer hit.
I would never have come to SkyWest had I known it was going to take 5-6 months to get to the line. They should have delayed our class until they were ready for us. Absolute bullsh*it. Most people in my class felt the same way.
Originally Posted by OregonAviator
The issue really is the FAA.
Most people were up to 6-8 weeks wait for IOE even before the summer hit.
I would never have come to SkyWest had I known it was going to take 5-6 months to get to the line. They should have delayed our class until they were ready for us. Absolute bullsh*it. Most people in my class felt the same way.
09-25-2017, 11:07 AM
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[QUOTE=DLocked;2435785]
I beg to differ. Management should have shrunk the classes to match what the training can handle. And that doesn't explain the overbooked sims that led to a 5 day break in the middle of 5 days of maneuvers.
Most people were up to 6-8 weeks wait for IOE even before the summer hit.
I would never have come to SkyWest had I known it was going to take 5-6 months to get to the line. They should have delayed our class until they were ready for us. Absolute bullsh*it. Most people in my class felt the same way.
That sucks Man sorry to hear that happen. Hopefully it still isn't that way so people can move right along and get on with flying.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
I beg to differ. Management should have shrunk the classes to match what the training can handle. And that doesn't explain the overbooked sims that led to a 5 day break in the middle of 5 days of maneuvers.
Most people were up to 6-8 weeks wait for IOE even before the summer hit.
I would never have come to SkyWest had I known it was going to take 5-6 months to get to the line. They should have delayed our class until they were ready for us. Absolute bullsh*it. Most people in my class felt the same way.
That sucks Man sorry to hear that happen. Hopefully it still isn't that way so people can move right along and get on with flying.
09-25-2017, 01:31 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by friend
What is cbt?
I’ve seen some of the stuff they are working on. Honestly its way better then the days of the white board and 1997 (SkyWest)Comair PowerPoint slides...
09-25-2017, 03:44 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by amcnd
The ioe backup should be getting better. They are running CKA classes all fall..
09-26-2017, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
Just did IOE with a guy who was 3 days SIM to IOE. Long delays are not good, but I don't think anyone has failed IOE due to the delay. More work for the LCA, but after a day or two, no matter. I know of more people who enjoyed the paid vacation.
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