Contracts - Collective Bargaining Agreements
10-08-2017 | 04:28 PM
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I don't get it. If you do the math one can see that Skywest pay and work rules are behind what their union counterparts are. 2% dues and you'd still be money ahead. Why the strong anti sentiment against them? A comparison of the Skywest of even a few years ago to present shows a trend. And now locked into a near industry low pay scale for 5 years? What gives?
10-08-2017 | 04:42 PM
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I don't get it. If you do the math one can see that Skywest pay and work rules are behind what their union counterparts are. 2% dues and you'd still be money ahead. Why the strong anti sentiment against them? A comparison of the Skywest of even a few years ago to present shows a trend. And now locked into a near industry low pay scale for 5 years? What gives?
The UT demographic is not big on unions in general, for better or worse.
At least 1/3 of the pilots came from union regionals and are permanently scarred. If their last regional sucked, or was a dead-end, even if it's not the union's fault that still leaves a bad taste in your mouth (someone taking your money but not fixing the problem).
The west coast surfer demographic is not big on unions either. While not as vehement as the UT boyz, the west coast guys did not grow up in the union-heavy societies of the mid-west and eastern seaboard where everybody's dad was either in the union, the mob, or both. It's alien to them.
Frankly SKW never really needed a union in the past. QOL deterioration may be changing that. The company has apparently decided to run lean as SOP.
10-08-2017 | 04:57 PM
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Several reasons.
The UT demographic is not big on unions in general, for better or worse.
At least 1/3 of the pilots came from union regionals and are permanently scarred. If their last regional sucked, or was a dead-end, even if it's not the union's fault that still leaves a bad taste in your mouth (someone taking your money but not fixing the problem).
The west coast surfer demographic is not big on unions either. While not as vehement as the UT boyz, the west coast guys did not grow up in the union-heavy societies of the mid-west and eastern seaboard where everybody's dad was either in the union, the mob, or both. It's alien to them.
Frankly SKW never really needed a union in the past. QOL deterioration may be changing that. The company has apparently decided to run lean as SOP.
The UT demographic is not big on unions in general, for better or worse.
At least 1/3 of the pilots came from union regionals and are permanently scarred. If their last regional sucked, or was a dead-end, even if it's not the union's fault that still leaves a bad taste in your mouth (someone taking your money but not fixing the problem).
The west coast surfer demographic is not big on unions either. While not as vehement as the UT boyz, the west coast guys did not grow up in the union-heavy societies of the mid-west and eastern seaboard where everybody's dad was either in the union, the mob, or both. It's alien to them.
Frankly SKW never really needed a union in the past. QOL deterioration may be changing that. The company has apparently decided to run lean as SOP.
10-08-2017 | 05:19 PM
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Realy alpa would have to get us a 8+% raise to realy make it worth while. But reality is they may get us 2% raise. But we then pay them 1.95%. Unless they guarantee us Endeavor pay scales in under 6 months. I doubt they will get voted in... Everyone knows how long it will tak to get a contract... just look at some of the past negotiations..
10-08-2017 | 05:35 PM
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What a bunch of bull****.... I can't believe how I continue to read this ****.. Day after day, no matter my location in the world, I turn on the APC TV to view what's going on with a bunch of mediocre/*****y pilots... I could give two ****s less about how socially inept you are, but here I am, reading your bull****.. I guess at the end of the day, I'm just a big ****ing looser..
10-08-2017 | 07:08 PM
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What a bunch of bull****.... I can't believe how I continue to read this ****.. Day after day, no matter my location in the world, I turn on the APC TV to view what's going on with a bunch of mediocre/*****y pilots... I could give two ****s less about how socially inept you are, but here I am, reading your bull****.. I guess at the end of the day, I'm just a big ****ing looser..
10-08-2017 | 07:19 PM
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Realy alpa would have to get us a 8+% raise to realy make it worth while. But reality is they may get us 2% raise. But we then pay them 1.95%. Unless they guarantee us Endeavor pay scales in under 6 months. I doubt they will get voted in... Everyone knows how long it will tak to get a contract... just look at some of the past negotiations..
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