Contracts - Collective Bargaining Agreements
11-15-2017 | 10:30 AM
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Thats assuming that staffing is a fixed parameter, it's not (Stockholm syndrome).
If pbs were adjusted to better respect seniority, the company would have to hire a few more pilots. Oh well.
I'm not sure suggesting every requested day off needs to be granted, only that seniority is reflected as to who gets that day off. If a senior pilot creates a Chinese puzzle that pbs cannot solve that's on him. But if his last layer contains only a very specific bid, then no junior pilot should ever get that day off instead of the senior.
If pbs were adjusted to better respect seniority, the company would have to hire a few more pilots. Oh well.
I'm not sure suggesting every requested day off needs to be granted, only that seniority is reflected as to who gets that day off. If a senior pilot creates a Chinese puzzle that pbs cannot solve that's on him. But if his last layer contains only a very specific bid, then no junior pilot should ever get that day off instead of the senior.
11-15-2017 | 11:23 AM
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How do you get it in now? I really don't know how that could be accomplished. At this point the company is working everyone to the max with no end in sight. And if there is some slack, they are very good at finding new flying.
Make it happen - more power to you if you could solve that problem.
11-15-2017 | 06:23 PM
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Everyone bids every day of the month off and all pairings end up in open time?
Or everyone bids x-mas off and all x-mas trips end up in open time?
11-16-2017 | 06:43 AM
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11-16-2017 | 09:18 AM
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This is an extreme scenario but I am sure you can appreciate the inefficiencies there.
Most importantly, how do you get the company to agree on any of this? Try to nail them down on say 20% reserve staffing level to start with.
11-16-2017 | 06:38 PM
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It shouldn't be but effectively is. There is nothing that prescribes staffing levels, min reserve requirements etc.
How do you get it in now? I really don't know how that could be accomplished. At this point the company is working everyone to the max with no end in sight. And if there is some slack, they are very good at finding new flying.
Make it happen - more power to you if you could solve that problem.
How do you get it in now? I really don't know how that could be accomplished. At this point the company is working everyone to the max with no end in sight. And if there is some slack, they are very good at finding new flying.
Make it happen - more power to you if you could solve that problem.
As for you guys...
Get a union? Then settle in for a drawn-out contract battle over a period of years. This tough because the up-and-comers don't want to rock the boat, and the super-senior guys view unions... poorly.
SAPA could try to focus on QOL next time around. The company will avoid that like the plague. All recent enhancements have been linked to credit... so you get more, but only if you work more (pay, 401k, PPS, etc). A completely new paradigm would be to seek QOL enhancements that don't involve working more (min reserves, vacation slots, min days off, cadence, etc). I tried to tell them that last time.
11-16-2017 | 07:04 PM
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Oh I solved the problem.
As for you guys...
Get a union? Then settle in for a drawn-out contract battle over a period of years. This tough because the up-and-comers don't want to rock the boat, and the super-senior guys view unions... poorly.
SAPA could try to focus on QOL next time around. The company will avoid that like the plague. All recent enhancements have been linked to credit... so you get more, but only if you work more (pay, 401k, PPS, etc). A completely new paradigm would be to seek QOL enhancements that don't involve working more (min reserves, vacation slots, min days off, cadence, etc). I tried to tell them that last time.
As for you guys...
Get a union? Then settle in for a drawn-out contract battle over a period of years. This tough because the up-and-comers don't want to rock the boat, and the super-senior guys view unions... poorly.
SAPA could try to focus on QOL next time around. The company will avoid that like the plague. All recent enhancements have been linked to credit... so you get more, but only if you work more (pay, 401k, PPS, etc). A completely new paradigm would be to seek QOL enhancements that don't involve working more (min reserves, vacation slots, min days off, cadence, etc). I tried to tell them that last time.
You are painting with a very broad brush my friend!
I have voted yes on every union vote since the first one, teamsters, to give a time reference.
I'd vote yes tomorrow, and I know many close to my seniority would do so as well.
11-16-2017 | 08:37 PM
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Oh I solved the problem.
As for you guys...
Get a union? Then settle in for a drawn-out contract battle over a period of years. This tough because the up-and-comers don't want to rock the boat, and the super-senior guys view unions... poorly.
SAPA could try to focus on QOL next time around. The company will avoid that like the plague. All recent enhancements have been linked to credit... so you get more, but only if you work more (pay, 401k, PPS, etc). A completely new paradigm would be to seek QOL enhancements that don't involve working more (min reserves, vacation slots, min days off, cadence, etc). I tried to tell them that last time.
As for you guys...
Get a union? Then settle in for a drawn-out contract battle over a period of years. This tough because the up-and-comers don't want to rock the boat, and the super-senior guys view unions... poorly.
SAPA could try to focus on QOL next time around. The company will avoid that like the plague. All recent enhancements have been linked to credit... so you get more, but only if you work more (pay, 401k, PPS, etc). A completely new paradigm would be to seek QOL enhancements that don't involve working more (min reserves, vacation slots, min days off, cadence, etc). I tried to tell them that last time.
How long is your current agreement for? Five years? And who said a new contract has to be drawn out? It won’t take half that time to get a new contract. New leadership would probably poll the pilot group to figure out what to negotiate. The parts you guys are already happy with would just be copied and pasted into the new contract.
11-17-2017 | 12:23 AM
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