I know people who have been directly helped by ALPA in time of need. Anyone who thinks that a union, even at the regional level is a waste of time is just ignorant or brainwashed or both.

 

Nope the union does everything for regionals that they do for mainline. What’s lacking is job security. Why, because we are contract carriers. Look at the national level where they continue to fight against NAI and such. That benefits everyone. And I don’t think you realize how close that was to becoming a reality. Had that been allowed to happen it would’ve eventually changed this industry again.

 

What about RJ, the sapa prez? Or DVV (former brazilia LCA) from Fat who busted a PC? Or that new guy BV fired about six months ago up in PDX without sapa present? Or the 7-8 prop captains that were not afforded the opportunity to transition to the e175 because of their failed attempts on the crj? Or my new hire friend who forced to resign by the former DEN CP RG or be fired while on probation for bogus reasons, she was previous 121 and not a novice on how to behave at an airline . Sapa's response was they were unable to even attend the disciplinary meeting.

 

Here they are:

Section 1: Scheduling



You may have the fat end or the thin end first, but it's all going up there one way or the other....

 

Failed training is “failed training”. If the 4-5 E120 captains can’t pass training like the other 4512 pilots at OO, then training is holding the standard... there is more to most those stories..

 

Is there a training review board that has at least one pilot representative on it? A TRB is standard at all union airlines. There are almost always extenuating circumstances (the other side of those stories). Anyone that's been on property for at least one year deserves to have their issues heard before a TRB.

 

It takes work to get fired from this place. A failure in training won't do it. You get two attempts at each seat. If you fail, you go back to your previous seat. After a year you can try again. If you fail again, you go back to your previous seat and cannot bid for that seat again. We had some Brasilia Captains fail the CRJ twice and then failed the ERJ. A few got caught short when the Brasilia was retired and they had less than a year to retirement. The company won't send anyone to training with less than a year left, so they were forced to retire.

One very senior Brasilia Captain who failed transition to the CRJ twice and the ERJ once was kept on in an administrative role until he turned 65. Another was at about 150 hours of IOE in the ERJ and still not getting it, they offered to have him downgrade to ERJ FO for a year and then attempt it again. He elected to retire early.

If you get fired from this place, you've earned it.

 

You should talk to TonyWilliams about that. He found out he could be a SAPA Rep and be fired after a single training failure. Tell him how he earned being fired. I'd like to see this conversation.







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I've never hard of this individual. What was the time frame? Upgrade used to be up or out, but that ended many years ago.

 

He was a SAPA cheerleader before you joined APC, but you can still read his posts and learn a little history. Who knows, maybe he'll chime in.






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