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Old 10-16-2017 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Again, I don't think you quite understand what a union will bring to the table. If there is a violation, the union will tell you to fly it and grieve it. I am actually in favor of a union, but your arguments are not necessarily helping the cause.
I fully understand what is offered from a union. My last regional was union.
I'm not denying that you might sometimes have to fly it and grieve it no matter where you work but it doesn't seem as prevalent when there are possible repercussions.
Also the way it works here is this: SAPA meets with company and lists complaints. Company can say too bad that's how we are doing it. The policy manual is not legally binding. They can throw the entire thing in the trash if they choose.

I'm not even saying I want a union at Skywest. I'm simply saying things seem to be changing. Regardless of the company claiming that we are adequately staffed, we are not. And as they get more desperate, we may see them get more creative with their interpretation of policy.
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Old 10-16-2017 | 07:48 PM
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I came from Colgan and the Piñacolaba MEC. The contract was definitely noteworthy, but at the end of the day, my paycheck was 80% incorrect and required extensive relays and extra work to get it corrected; the work rules were also disregarded and required extra vigilance.

Came to SkyWest and rarely had an incorrect paycheck or work-rule inconsistency; it was night-and-day.

Not against unions in any way, but that’s my experience.
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Old 10-17-2017 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
I've had several friends call their chief about these issues only to hear the same response. "Just fly the trip and file a report."
Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
As I have stated before, since using SAPA as your mouthpiece isn't working, I would go directly to management and leave out the middleman.
CP is management.
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Old 10-17-2017 | 07:14 AM
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Old 10-17-2017 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Ahhhh ok....you don't think if a person in management hears the same things over and over, and gets sick and tired of hearing about it, they won't do something about it?
In my time every chief pilot that was actually a good dude eventually couldn't put up the fight anymore and was weeded out.
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Old 10-17-2017 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
If that was the case, they should have never been in the position to begin with.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, some of the good guys got hammered by some in mgt to the point of futility and just went back to the line. Also I shouldn't have said 'every' as a couple did made it through the BS to stick around or get promoted (RG).
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Old 10-17-2017 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Are you a pro union guy?
Does it matter?
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Old 10-17-2017 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Ahhhh ok....you don't think if a person in management hears the same things over and over, and gets sick and tired of hearing about it, they won't do something about it?
Like fire the pilot for complaining too much? What happens if they do that?
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Old 10-17-2017 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Oh sorry, did realize I directed that question at you....if it matters or not has nothing to do with you.
Lol. If only you would take your own advice.
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Old 10-17-2017 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
My comment to you was not advice.
Girl, don't go away mad.
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