Contracts - Collective Bargaining Agreements
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How many? I'd like to know. And some names too, you'd think after a decade I'd know some of them...
Actually I know of a few who maybe shouldn't even still be flying 121... but they didn't lie. That's the big thing, don't lie...
File an asap and plead the fifth, or come clean and confess but don't lie.
Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have a union for disciplinary proceedings, but I never saw a huge problem with honest mistakes.
IMO these are not honest mistakes...
- Sitting ORD reserve at Incline Village.
- Departing the pavement and then trying to power-back out of the dirt (in an airplane not approved for power-back).
- Going off the end because you fudged the LDG numbers... after the correct LDG numbers said you didn't have enough RWY.
Actually I know of a few who maybe shouldn't even still be flying 121... but they didn't lie. That's the big thing, don't lie...
File an asap and plead the fifth, or come clean and confess but don't lie.
Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have a union for disciplinary proceedings, but I never saw a huge problem with honest mistakes.
IMO these are not honest mistakes...
- Sitting ORD reserve at Incline Village.
- Departing the pavement and then trying to power-back out of the dirt (in an airplane not approved for power-back).
- Going off the end because you fudged the LDG numbers... after the correct LDG numbers said you didn't have enough RWY.
What I'm trying to say is that if there was another case like DD's you'd probably never know because the odds of that happening again (management learned that lesson) to someone who can be unemployed and fund their own defense at the tune of tens of thousands will more than likely never happen again. But I'm pretty sure that smaller issues go unsettled because there is no representation on retainer to deal with them while the pilot deals with flying and earning a living. Just having that is a huge deterrent and it keeps management more honest and from dealing with pilots on an ad-hoc basis.
As for pilot tricks, they usually get some time off without pay to think about it. But that's after exercising (if they choose) their contractually binding grievance process.
A union is like voting. Everyone has the right to vote along with all your other constitutional rights. But you cannot exercise that right until you register to vote. Having the a union is like registering to vote. That right is there for you but only after you've registered. Otherwise, you are deferring your right to someone else.
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A union is like voting. Everyone has the right to vote along with all your other constitutional rights. But you cannot exercise that right until you register to vote. Having the a union is like registering to vote. That right is there for you but only after you've registered. Otherwise, you are deferring your right to someone else.
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No analogy is perfect. The point I'm making is that ANYONE who wants to exercise their constitutional right to vote is required to register in BEFORE being able exercise that right. In other words, we have to jump through hoops in order to give ourselves the right to vote. Same for many at the workplace. You can decide not to exercise your right to collectively bargain. But if you do want to give yourself that extra right, you have to jump through hoops. Hence my flawed analogy. The analogy being that we have rights that need some sort of prerequisite before being able to use them. I hope that has cleared any confusion. But let me know if it didn't and I'll try again.
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He thinks that mesa would be better off non-union with JO as CEO. Or that endeavor and republic would've done better in bankruptcy as at-will employees. Or that the grievance process has never helped pilots. Or that countless safety initiatives haven't make a difference in reducing risk. Or that kcm doesn't matter. Or that aeromedical has never saved someone's career. Or etc etc. Some people will always be in denial, I guess.
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