making you pay for hotel
07-17-2018, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I mean, shared hotel rooms ARE industry standard... if you're using the standard from like 1995. But if a west coast base means that much to you, I guess it's your choice.
As for the pay rates, it's a pretty weak argument to say... I don't need the money, whatever. If you don't need the money then maybe you should just stay home and enjoy your retirement.
As for the pay rates, it's a pretty weak argument to say... I don't need the money, whatever. If you don't need the money then maybe you should just stay home and enjoy your retirement.
07-19-2018, 05:59 AM
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Get out of aviation then Green Needles
I hope I never have to fly with you because it’s going to be a very sterile flight deck. Get out of aviation now.
Originally Posted by Green Needles
You would think at 51 with a (hopefully) successful military career, one would have accumulated enough wisdom to not justify subpar wages. Ok, we get it, you made the right decision for you. Congratulations on your optimistic attitude and narrow-minded view of the world. This is one of the best markets in the history of aviation for pilots. Take a look at the rest of the regional industry, then take a look at the industry as a whole. There's no excuse for Skywest pilot pay to be as low as it is, just corporate greed. That's everywhere, and you are saying "Thank you sir, may I have another!" The truly despicable part is you are trying to sell others on that. I hope you are a management troll, because I'd like to hope pilots aren't dumb enough to sell other pilots on subpar pay and benefits.
07-19-2018, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Truth! Skywest is the largest regional pilot group. What the do for their pilot contract affects every other regional. Can you imagine what an Endeavor or better contract at Skywest would do for the all the other regionals?
07-19-2018, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2tofly
I hope I never have to fly with you because it’s going to be a very sterile flight deck. Get out of aviation now.
07-19-2018, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Awww, that's cute, you're fired up now. Channel a bit of that energy into bettering our profession rather than justifying subpar pay.
07-19-2018, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Melit
And EXACTLY what are you actively doing to better the profession?
Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?
2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.
07-19-2018, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
I went to the highest paid regional to start my 121 career. I actively lobby our union reps to continue raising the bar on regional pay. I refused to work for the airlines when starting pay was in the low $20,000s.
Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?
2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.
Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?
2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.
I’ve been a advocate of go to a regional where you have family, close to home, QOL for you... for me that was OO or QX...
07-19-2018, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
I went to the highest paid regional to start my 121 career. I actively lobby our union reps to continue raising the bar on regional pay. I refused to work for the airlines when starting pay was in the low $20,000s.
Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?
2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.
Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?
2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.
I wanted a Chicago base because I live there. SkyWest paid $10 an hour more than Envoy when I started. Republic was still emerging from bankruptcy and was far from a sure thing. I never considered TSA or GoJet. I'm not going to bounce around regionals chasing bonuses. I've done what I can do to try and get better QOL by voting no for every contract since I've been here and if there's an ALPA drive I'll be on board with it.
Could things be better at SkyWest? Absolutely and with how cyclical the regional industry is I'm sure in time it will.
07-19-2018, 08:21 AM
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Like I said, he's welcome to go where he wants, as am I. What disgusts me is trying to make excuses for Skywest's below industry standard compensation. He's welcome to say "I'm willing to sell my labor for far below market value because of other mitigating factors." Coming on here bragging about how Skywest is a good company (it's not for the pilots) and bragging about how he took a $100,000 pay cut to fly for the almighty Skywest shows how strong the Koolaid is. Do us all a favor and stand up for what you're worth. Then, hopefully the regionals can all die along with their lousy contracts and work rules.
07-19-2018, 08:50 AM
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I'll also add that it's the SJS attitude like this guy has that has allowed the regionals to treat pilots so poorly. You don't see doctors saying "Oh Emm Geee! Look at this really cool OR! I'll happily operate on patients for nothing because it's soooo cool!" Truck drivers don't salivate saying "Wow, that Peterbilt is so cool! Since (my my naively formed opinion tells me) the company that owns it is so cool, I'll accept far below industry standard compensation just because the company is so gracious to allow me to work for them driving such a cool truck!"
Pilots are idiots for buying into the mindset that because we get to fly airplanes, we should grovel at the feet of our overlords. No other profession sells themselves short like we do. So yes, I take it personally when people further that attitude. Stop making excuses for the company and stop undercutting the profession.
Pilots are idiots for buying into the mindset that because we get to fly airplanes, we should grovel at the feet of our overlords. No other profession sells themselves short like we do. So yes, I take it personally when people further that attitude. Stop making excuses for the company and stop undercutting the profession.
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