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Old 07-16-2018 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Let's assume that with 28 years you are AT LEAST a CW5. With 28 years, you are going to be pulling in right around $72,000 a year retirement pay before taxes and yeah, Tricare for life has an annual 'catastrophic' cap if $3,000 a year which one ER visit will max you out at, plus you are entitled to free care at any uniformed services medical facility.

So yeah, for those of you who COME IN TO SKYWEST with a pension equal to what a Skywest six-year captain makes (only better, because the military retirement us inflation adjusted) and essentially no worries about medical insurance costs...that us, if you are already set up for retirement and simply want somebody else to fund your recreational jet flying, Skywest's low wages simply aren't that big a deal.

And I am personally delighted that works for both iof you.

But for those who are not in those particular circumstances, that is MOST OF THE PROSPECTIVE NEWBIES, wages that at least meet the industry median woukd sure be nice.
So you’re going to use your military retirement to subsidize a subpar compensation package? And advocate others do the same?
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Old 07-16-2018 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RJDio
So you’re going to use your military retirement to subsidize a subpar compensation package? And advocate others do the same?
For others who may be in a similar situation, why not? There were four or five in my new hire class who had a similar background/situation. Clearly that's not everyone's scenario, but the CFI-fresh-out-of-college scenario doesn't map to everyone either.

Surely you're not advocating a one-size-fits-all approach for everyone?
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Old 07-16-2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
For others who may be in a similar situation, why not? There were four or five in my new hire class who had a similar background/situation. Clearly that's not everyone's scenario, but the CFI-fresh-out-of-college scenario doesn't map to everyone either.

Surely you're not advocating a one-size-fits-all approach for everyone?
Actually, that's how it works in this line of work.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
For others who may be in a similar situation, why not? There were four or five in my new hire class who had a similar background/situation. Clearly that's not everyone's scenario, but the CFI-fresh-out-of-college scenario doesn't map to everyone either.

Surely you're not advocating a one-size-fits-all approach for everyone?
No I’m not. What I’m pointing out is the (IMO) flawed rationalization of accepting substandard compensation (money, qol, bennies) because of previous wealth, and then justifying the subsidy.

It’s detrimental and counter productive to the industry as a whole to give up the good fight because you may have a pension. Your personal wealth should be irrelevant to compensation negotiations.

Once you go down that rabbit hole, you’ll find yourself paying the company to fly their airplane again during the next downturn.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Actually, that's how it works in this line of work.
Everyone gets paid the same, yes, but individual net worth varied from people paying off student loans to pilots just retiring out of the military with a pension to people who own successful businesses with a significant net worth. Their reasons for joining the airline varied considerably. So no, a one-size-fits-all justfication doesn't actually fit because some of those people would value basing over hourly rates, while others would value hourly rates over upgrade times, and so on.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 03:59 PM
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When I went through training I did the shared suite at the Candlewood and I also had sims in STL which was just your normal 2 queen hotel room which me and my sim partner shared. I didn't mind the Candlewood but St. Louis sucked. I've heard they no longer have sims in STL though.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
For others who may be in a similar situation, why not? There were four or five in my new hire class who had a similar background/situation. Clearly that's not everyone's scenario, but the CFI-fresh-out-of-college scenario doesn't map to everyone either.

Surely you're not advocating a one-size-fits-all approach for everyone?
You can say the same thing for rich kids where mommy and daddy helps them pay rent or feeds them while they go fly shiny jets and tell their friends they’re a pilot. The point is, no matter your situation take a look at the industry and realize going to SkyWest right now is aiding the bottom rung of the industry. It may work for you, but why accept that knowing there are far better offers out there. It is similar to the guy that has 25k in pocket so he spends 24k on a sh*tcar with nice wheels and window tint because he justifies it by having the money.
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Old 07-17-2018 | 07:09 AM
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You would think at 51 with a (hopefully) successful military career, one would have accumulated enough wisdom to not justify subpar wages. Ok, we get it, you made the right decision for you. Congratulations on your optimistic attitude and narrow-minded view of the world. This is one of the best markets in the history of aviation for pilots. Take a look at the rest of the regional industry, then take a look at the industry as a whole. There's no excuse for Skywest pilot pay to be as low as it is, just corporate greed. That's everywhere, and you are saying "Thank you sir, may I have another!" The truly despicable part is you are trying to sell others on that. I hope you are a management troll, because I'd like to hope pilots aren't dumb enough to sell other pilots on subpar pay and benefits.
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Old 07-17-2018 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
You would think at 51 with a (hopefully) successful military career, one would have accumulated enough wisdom to not justify subpar wages. Ok, we get it, you made the right decision for you. Congratulations on your optimistic attitude and narrow-minded view of the world. This is one of the best markets in the history of aviation for pilots. Take a look at the rest of the regional industry, then take a look at the industry as a whole. There's no excuse for Skywest pilot pay to be as low as it is, just corporate greed. That's everywhere, and you are saying "Thank you sir, may I have another!" The truly despicable part is you are trying to sell others on that. I hope you are a management troll, because I'd like to hope pilots aren't dumb enough to sell other pilots on subpar pay and benefits.
Lol. How many of you would live in base for a few bucks less? We have some issues, but give the guy a break.
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Old 07-17-2018 | 10:04 AM
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I mean, shared hotel rooms ARE industry standard... if you're using the standard from like 1995. But if a west coast base means that much to you, I guess it's your choice.

As for the pay rates, it's a pretty weak argument to say... I don't need the money, whatever. If you don't need the money then maybe you should just stay home and enjoy your retirement.
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