Originally Posted by 2tofly

Get out of aviation now.

Originally Posted by Green Needles

Do us all a favor and stand up for what you're worth. Then, hopefully the regionals can all die along with their lousy contracts and work rules.

Originally Posted by Simpsons

The highest paid regional changes a lot. What about the pilots that were at Comair?


I wanted a Chicago base because I live there. SkyWest paid $10 an hour more than Envoy when I started. Republic was still emerging from bankruptcy and was far from a sure thing. I never considered TSA or GoJet. I'm not going to bounce around regionals chasing bonuses. I've done what I can do to try and get better QOL by voting no for every contract since I've been here and if there's an ALPA drive I'll be on board with it.


Could things be better at SkyWest? Absolutely and with how cyclical the regional industry is I'm sure in time it will.

Originally Posted by Green Needles

I'll also add that it's the SJS attitude like this guy has that has allowed the regionals to treat pilots so poorly. You don't see doctors saying "Oh Emm Geee! Look at this really cool OR! I'll happily operate on patients for nothing because it's soooo cool!" Truck drivers don't salivate saying "Wow, that Peterbilt is so cool! Since (my my naively formed opinion tells me) the company that owns it is so cool, I'll accept far below industry standard compensation just because the company is so gracious to allow me to work for them driving such a cool truck!"

Pilots are idiots for buying into the mindset that because we get to fly airplanes, we should grovel at the feet of our overlords. No other profession sells themselves short like we do. So yes, I take it personally when people further that attitude. Stop making excuses for the company and stop undercutting the profession.

Originally Posted by gojo

Oh ffs, why even get out of bed in the morning if you’re that afraid of something bad happening? Sure Comair was the highest paid regional for a while. But it’s demise was much more complicated than that. Additionally, this career looked a whole lot differently back then. This is a great time to be an entry level pilot. If a base works for you that allows you to stay home with family and not commute, well that’s worth something. And I’m not sure I could even put a price on that because each individual would value it differently

Originally Posted by Simpsons

My example of Comair wasn’t meant to say I was afraid that SkyWest would go out of business if we got higher pay, it was only meant to show that one single regional doesn’t always stay the highest pay forever. The same can even be said for mainline

Originally Posted by Green Needles

Absolutely correct. Take a look at the substantial gains made by nearly every other pilot group. Then take a look at Skywest. I rest my case.

Originally Posted by Green Needles

I went to the highest paid regional to start my 121 career. I actively lobby our union reps to continue raising the bar on regional pay. I refused to work for the airlines when starting pay was in the low $20,000s.

Don't forget, you are selling your labor to the company. Why sell yourself cheaply?

2tofly doesn't have to worry about a "very sterile" flight deck with me. We'll never fly together, because I won't subject myself to Skywest. I'm worth more than that.

Originally Posted by Simpsons

Why do you think those other companies did it? Because they’re nice and good people? They did it because they had to in order to keep pilots coming through the door. SkyWest for whatever reason is still getting people in the door. It willl happen with time, people will eventually stop coming and SkyWest will have to improve pay and QOL. In fact, I think you’re helping us all out by trying to dissuade pilots from coming here. I know I haven’t really recommended anyone come here in the past year or so.

Originally Posted by WesternSkies

The 9e pilots here are scared their neck is stuck too far ahead of the industry unless OO matches. These posts are openly fear driven in their chastiment and falsehoods.

Even APLA doesn’t publish OO in the low end of regional compensation.