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Old 10-04-2018 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chitolin
4 yr FO, pretty senior at my base. Will vote NO. No QOL issues addressed, BOB, commuter hotels, etc. 0% raise in 2019


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Exactly, NO!
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Old 10-04-2018 | 01:02 PM
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If you read what TT posted or what Sapa says. This isnt QOL. That’s negotiated separately. This is a “pay” proposal.. they fixed the major issues from last time. Im a yes.


Then yes. Lets get going on parking, hotels, ect...
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Old 10-04-2018 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
If you read what TT posted or what Sapa says. This isnt QOL. That’s negotiated separately. This is a “pay” proposal.. they fixed the major issues from last time. Im a yes.





Then yes. Lets get going on parking, hotels, ect...


Well, considering TT and RJ say that iPads are QOL, we’re all going to die waiting for real QOL improvements. Easy fixes: “call first” should be for pairings, not RDY. Gimme a box that says you prefer OBR or not .

Also, TT said that with this TA we officially become uncompetitive to attract new business

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Old 10-04-2018 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
If you read what TT posted or what Sapa says. This isnt QOL. That’s negotiated separately. This is a “pay” proposal.. they fixed the major issues from last time. Im a yes.


Then yes. Lets get going on parking, hotels, ect...
Exactly what REAL QOL gains have been gotten outside of a pay negotiation? MDG increases, changes to our rigs, MRS language, none of these will come outside of pay negotiations.
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Old 10-04-2018 | 01:25 PM
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The TA will most likely pass. As far as pay is concerned, it’s a good, not great, but a good deal. With the company expanding as it is, the amount of commuters we have is growing exponentially. With that being said, the unofficial commuter policy has worked for most, but an official one would be beneficial. Anytime I “couldn’t” make it in, I just called in EMER and never heard a peep from anyone about it. I also stayed relatively close to the company average on days called off.

I voted NO on the last TA without batting an eye, but this go around it’ll be YUP.

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Old 10-04-2018 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chitolin
Aren’t you like brand new? Gotta research a little before coming up with stuff like that.


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What research have you done to prove otherwise? I bet this is your first airline job.
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Old 10-04-2018 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rswitz
What research have you done to prove otherwise? I bet this is your first airline job.
You understand that most ALPA carriers don’t even let new hires vote until they are a year in, because there is a lot more to learn about the industry.

Side note, be careful with that username as it isn’t hard to figure out the real name behind it.
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Old 10-04-2018 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by flight81
I think if you are an FO, you should consider voting as if you are a new captain commuting to reserve. At least consider it. If you vote too short term, you may burn yourself in the near future..
Spot on.

I beg the newer folks to please keep an open mind,
and consider what consequences a yes vote now could
potentially have on you a few years from now. The
possibility of being here for a lot longer than you think
is a very real one. I'm in my 20's, only 2 years here, and
this is something that wasn't apparent to me when I
first started.

This one is heavily favored more towards the recently
hired/soon-to-be hired folks. I know how some
of those SIM instructors and checkairman (some, not all)
will push the yes vote on you; I was guilty of caving to
this 2 TA's ago. Please don't let anyone do that to you, including
myself with this post. Establish your own vote based on
your own opinions, and personal situation.

I really feel like management needs this particular deal more than we do.
They HAVE to come back with more.

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Voting No
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Old 10-04-2018 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Im a three year FO, doing well and hold a decent schedule. I'm also voting yes. I think its fair. Could be better or worse, but overall I like it. ^^^Best of luck ^^^

p.s. I voted no last time
Your a junior CA, the economy takes a hit. Majors are still hiring but not like now. You have no flow, DGI, or CPP. SO OTS hiring is competitive. You still took all that skunk flying and you are hustling like crazy. You are now at SW 2-3 years longer than anticipated. Now do you think you get paid enough? That is how you have to think.
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Old 10-04-2018 | 02:43 PM
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Voting NO.

This amendment is not good enough.
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