Voting yes or no?
10-06-2018 | 10:47 AM
#41
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Absolute NO vote.
Why?
This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.
So there's one NO reason.
The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.
Another NO.
Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.
Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.
Another big NO.
Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.
We deserve more, we deserve better.
Why?
This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.
So there's one NO reason.
The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.
Another NO.
Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.
Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.
Another big NO.
Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.
We deserve more, we deserve better.
10-06-2018 | 11:09 AM
#42
New Hire
Joined: Jul 2016
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Two-year FO, solid “no” vote. I enjoy my job and love having the opportunity to work for this company but I’m tired of these low-ball games they are playing pretending to empathize and then sending out e-mails that are out of touch with reality and completely insulting to everyone’s intelligence. If you want the best regional labor force it’s going to cost money and you’re going to have to make large compromises. It’s not cheap but it is worth the cost.
10-06-2018 | 12:17 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
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More reason to go to a Major.... better benefits, travel, vac, sick, postive space passes, ect. Come to grips we work for a subcontractor... im still a yes. But im out of here anyway... for the reasons listed above. Not having to worry about who’s going to take who’s flying...and getting a schedule and life style that fits my family...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fedex-pilot-shortage/ahead-of-holidays-fedex-leans-on-special-bonuses-to-keep-pilots-from-retiring-idUSKCN1ME0C8
10-06-2018 | 02:17 PM
#44
Banned
Joined: Apr 2010
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Now you're quoting yourself, interesting....
The company doesn't care about attrition, they have come out and said it publicly. That is why this TA is like it is. It blatantly shows it doesn't care about the ones here the longest.
The company only cares about the new hires and the ones not even here, they have come out and said it publicly. That is why this TA is like it is. It blatantly shows it only cares about the ones not yet here.
They only care about those coming here not the ones leaving!
We got more the last time we voted no, why not this time?
The company only cares about the new hires and the ones not even here, they have come out and said it publicly. That is why this TA is like it is. It blatantly shows it only cares about the ones not yet here.
They only care about those coming here not the ones leaving!
We got more the last time we voted no, why not this time?
10-06-2018 | 09:27 PM
#46
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Joined: May 2009
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Absolute NO vote.
Why?
This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.
So there's one NO reason.
The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.
Another NO.
Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.
Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.
Another big NO.
Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.
We deserve more, we deserve better.
Why?
This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.
So there's one NO reason.
The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.
Another NO.
Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.
Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.
Another big NO.
Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.
We deserve more, we deserve better.
Bravo, well stated!
10-11-2018 | 08:12 AM
#49
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 195
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If this gets approved, they have 0 incentive to give anything more. And rightfully so, why would they? As long as new FO's are coming in the door, what incentive would they have to spend more money on us?
I do think the TA is a pretty good one, although I also want to see BOB. Better rates on User and Vacation time would also be good.
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