Alpa drive?
03-23-2019, 04:31 PM
#171
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Originally Posted by mercys ghost
And in all honesty, why are you so focused on SkyWest pilots?
Why would another pilot want you to have a better contract?
- it sets the tone for their next negotiation
- it protects other pilot jobs because the lowest bidder can’t just undercut everyone else by making their workforce miserable
- it means we are a unified voice in what is the standards for our profession
03-23-2019, 05:40 PM
#172
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
It’s a collective - it’s strength is in its numbers. OO is a huge pilot group that does not currently have any representation. I can say with full honesty that I was hoping that your new contract would exceed both Endeavor and Republic in every way. It didn’t, St. George gave just enough for it to squash the latest drive.
Why would another pilot want you to have a better contract?
- it sets the tone for their next negotiation
- it protects other pilot jobs because the lowest bidder can’t just undercut everyone else by making their workforce miserable
- it means we are a unified voice in what is the standards for our profession
Why would another pilot want you to have a better contract?
- it sets the tone for their next negotiation
- it protects other pilot jobs because the lowest bidder can’t just undercut everyone else by making their workforce miserable
- it means we are a unified voice in what is the standards for our profession
Strength in numbers? Sure appears that organizations like ALPA already seem to have a pretty good stronghold on things, so I don't agree with that as a reason. If pilots want a union, they will vote it in, regardless of what management does. If the latest contract is what kept a union out, then it would to be a win win for both management and pilots.
03-23-2019, 06:37 PM
#173
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Originally Posted by mercys ghost
Strength in numbers? Sure appears that organizations like ALPA already seem to have a pretty good stronghold on things, so I don't agree with that as a reason. If pilots want a union, they will vote it in, regardless of what management does. If the latest contract is what kept a union out, then it would to be a win win for both management and pilots.
Aside management campaigns against organizing; I don’t know exactly why attempts to organize have been unsuccessful by ALPA or any other union for that matter. But, I will say it is to managements benefit, not yours that their continues to be no CBA. There is a fine line between good and good enough.
03-23-2019, 09:18 PM
#174
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The plain and simple fact that management spends so much time, effort, and expense to keep a union away from the pilots is proof we need one. SAPA has some great people in it, but as one former rep said(that got recently voted out) that there are subtle and insidious threats and statements made during joint meetings with management. Management pays for SAPA for the reason as they can control them.
If anyone really believes management has our best interests in mind has got to be blind.
We really don't need a union ghost buster pushing managements agenda.
If anyone really believes management has our best interests in mind has got to be blind.
We really don't need a union ghost buster pushing managements agenda.
03-24-2019, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
The plain and simple fact that management spends so much time, effort, and expense to keep a union away from the pilots is proof we need one. SAPA has some great people in it, but as one former rep said(that got recently voted out) that there are subtle and insidious threats and statements made during joint meetings with management. Management pays for SAPA for the reason as they can control them.
If anyone really believes management has our best interests in mind has got to be blind.
We really don't need a union ghost buster pushing managements agenda.
If anyone really believes management has our best interests in mind has got to be blind.
We really don't need a union ghost buster pushing managements agenda.
That is quite an interesting statement. I don't know of any corporation that wants any work group to be unionized. So, a corporation who is proactive to make people happy enough to keep a union out is all the more reason a union is needed? That is some serious one sided logic. Sounds like to me that no matter what your management does, it will never be good enough in your eyes. Makes for a pretty rough and miserable career if you ask me.
03-24-2019, 08:40 AM
#176
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Ya. Trust me. They don’t spend money keeping alpa off property. Doubtful that they have even put more then 10 seconds thought on alpa the past 2 years...
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03-24-2019, 09:30 AM
#177
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Ya. Trust me. They don’t spend money keeping alpa off property. Doubtful that they have even put more then 10 seconds thought on alpa the past 2 years...
(Dang it. I bumped this topic up again).
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03-24-2019, 10:07 AM
#178
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Ya. Trust me. They don’t spend money keeping alpa off property. Doubtful that they have even put more then 10 seconds thought on alpa the past 2 years...
(Dang it. I bumped this topic up again).
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03-24-2019, 10:36 AM
#179
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The company pays for sapa, sapa doesn’t spend time thwarting off ALPA. And CC, MT and TT. don’t spend there days trying to block ALPA.. (dangit. Bumpeoit again!! Not doing that again)
03-24-2019, 10:53 AM
#180
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Originally Posted by amcnd
The company pays for sapa, sapa doesn’t spend time thwarting off ALPA. And CC, MT and TT. don’t spend there days trying to block ALPA.. (dangit. Bumpeoit again!! Not doing that again)
But OO paying for their own in house union is an effort to prevent an external union. They don’t do because for your benefit.
And yes - everytime you reply you bump the thread up. I understand you don’t want to, but want to reply and now have a choice to make - Godspeed in your decision.
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