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Tippy 05-09-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2817435)
I agree with all of this except I don't think he had that many callouts from what he told me. It's been a while though. The drive is much more than 2 hours that time of night and he didn't have a reliable vehicle. It could have happened to anyone.


sounds like we both know more or less the same story, saving a few minor details. However ill state it again. It was not one single thing. But I wish him well, and never want to see someone let go unjustly.

amcnd 05-09-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2817437)
Like I said, it was pretty common knowledge at the time. I don't know what to tell ya. Everyone thinks our attendance policy is so amazing..... Until the day it's not.

Thats fine. But people coming on here and saying 1 attendance issue and you get fired is false... thats all I’m pointing out... i would say OO’s is way over the industry average before people get fired....

herewego 05-09-2019 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2817419)
Well he was denied boarding on our own delta bird, and QX was in meltdown mode. I think he had like 4 options but none of them worked out. Everyone told him he'd be fine calling off emergency. Flight cancelled, he was fired. Could happen to anyone.

From lurking on this forum I surmised that the reason he was denied boarding was because he refused to pay the annual $50 Delta NonRev Fee. Was sticking to his guns that the fee was not fair and shouldn't be required since off line folks get to ride the jump for free. No Fee meant no boarding.
It's kind of like the Bicycle rider who insists that he has every right to be in the road with 3000-12000 lb cars. He may be right that it's not fair, but sometimes you've got to know when you're out gunned.

11and11 05-09-2019 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2817099)
No, it's not always simply a "choice" to live out of base. To uproot the family, have the spouse quit their job they've had for a long time, have them start a new job, and expect kids to start at a new school across the country is not easy, especially for an average paying regional airline job. If the company needs, or is desperate for staffing at a new base they've suddenly opened, they can't just expect everyone to drop everything and move in base on their dime.
That's why many, including myself, commute. I always have a backup plan, but am not moving for a regional job.

Yeah, sorry I shouldn’t have said “choice”. I get it. You can’t always move. My point is that at certain airlines it’s almost like commuters get better treatment.

Tippy 05-09-2019 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2817437)
Like I said, it was pretty common knowledge at the time. I don't know what to tell ya. Everyone thinks our attendance policy is so amazing..... Until the day it's not.


Not to poke the bear but i know u are actively advocating for ALPA, but even a union wont stop a probationary pilot from getting canned. Wouldnt have helped in this case even with an attendance policy.

word302 05-09-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 2817449)
From lurking on this forum I surmised that the reason he was denied boarding was because he refused to pay the annual $50 Delta NonRev Fee. Was sticking to his guns that the fee was not fair and shouldn't be required since off line folks get to ride the jump for free. No Fee meant no boarding.
It's kind of like the Bicycle rider who insists that he has every right to be in the road with 3000-12000 lb cars. He may be right that it's not fair, but sometimes you've got to know when you're out gunned.

I disagree. It's an extortion fee and I don't think that was actually his issue. Regardless, our own plane left him behind with an empty jumpseat. No matter how you look at it that isn't right.

word302 05-09-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 2817451)
Not to poke the bear but i know u are actively advocating for ALPA, but even a union wont stop a probationary pilot from getting canned. Wouldnt have helped in this case even with an attendance policy.

I'm betting it actually would have saved his job with his attendance record. Now the guy with 54 occurrences not so much.

amcnd 05-09-2019 07:11 PM

I understand paying the fee is dumb. (Just to be able to jumpseat). And it all boils down to a Delta computer program recognizing you fly for SkyWest but haven’t paid the fee. Gate agents hands are tied... you stick to your guns. And maybe act nonprofessional? Maybe just say thanks and walk away? Who knows.. but its the game we play...

ESQ702 05-09-2019 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2814434)
Company seniority - pass travel, vacation, etc. It’s basically a DoH for all or most of the benefits shared by every employee. Has no impact on pilot seniority or pay, you get none of that until Indoc.

Worth signing up?
Depends on the individual. If you intend on going to OO, it definitely won’t hurt you. It may even help you get a class date sooner and some interview prep.
If OO is just on a short list, may not be worth the effort and time.

I was hoping pilot seniority was in there somewhere but not surprised that it isn’t. Thx for the detailed info!

ninerdriver 05-10-2019 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 2817449)
From lurking on this forum I surmised that the reason he was denied boarding was because he refused to pay the annual $50 Delta NonRev Fee. Was sticking to his guns that the fee was not fair and shouldn't be required since off line folks get to ride the jump for free. No Fee meant no boarding.
It's kind of like the Bicycle rider who insists that he has every right to be in the road with 3000-12000 lb cars. He may be right that it's not fair, but sometimes you've got to know when you're out gunned.

You guys still pay the fee?


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