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Old 10-11-2019, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TenaciousB View Post
Inability to ensure we are following the FOM priority for flight deck access because the gate agent software will now violate it for those particular two groups. Violating the FOM is technically an FAA enforceable violation.

*Just explaining the reasoning given by SAPA and the official letter so don’t shoot the messenger.
I know I’m not the smartest person but can someone break this down please?
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawker445 View Post
Just for clarification, does this decision by SAPA apply to ALL of our flights or just United side?
All metal as once this goes into effect there would technically not be a jumpseat agreement between United and SkyWest.

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Old 10-11-2019, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor View Post
Said the Comair pilot to Delta!
I must have missed the comparison. YX/OO are not WO’s and own all their aircraft, UA doesn’t own any of them. The pilot group was decimated at Comair, DL owned the aircraft. So my question is again who would fill the void? That talk is complete nonsense.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco View Post
It's UALPA not UAL really forcing this decision.
Um no, the software change wouldn’t be in motion in management wasn’t on board. In fact UALPA has been asking for this software update for some time and its gone no where because management hasn’t wanted to spend the money to update the system.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:37 AM
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Skywest Pilots are now not welcome on my XJT jumpseat.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:37 AM
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Why has Expressjet gone along with this they didn’t take a stance to protect there own Jumpseats? Whyonly SkyWest/Repubic.??
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest View Post
Scott Kirby spoke in very general terms this week (at the United FTC) and stated he would like more control over the the regional product and while it will take time, consolidation into a handful of carriers might be the answer. What that means is anyone’s guess but most of the people in the room heard it as him wanting to grow the exclusive carriers and trim the others. Doesn’t mean it will happen and if MESA, SkyWest or Republic are the best performers it will be hard to justify in my opinion. Jumpseat wars are not productive. We need to support and work well with our regional carriers that support the United operation (in my opinion). It does get fuzzy when some of our regional partners get to declare jumpseat priority on multiple major airlines and their feeders but get upset when United gives exclusive UAX carriers priority on UAL (and the exclusive UAX Airlines). I got a bit of a laugh at the student council’s wording of “violation of FOM” etc and that justifying denial of jumpseats. So, it is a safety issue that you go behind exclusive UAX carriers on United Mainline jumpseats? You guys will always (obviously) have priority on your own jumpseat, not to mention you have priority over all of us on Delta and Alaska so you can use them (2 leg) to commute into your UAL hub to work with “priority “. Not a bad deal!
The way it was messaged, supposedly the jumpseat committee at UALPA wouldn’t even talk with or return calls from our jumpseat committee to discuss or negotiate this change. Basically taking the reciprocal and agreement out of “reciprocal agreement “. It was less about the final priority than the fact that we couldn’t discuss it ahead of time and negotiate. It’s hard to parse out exactly what happened but that’s what I’m personally gathering based on the communications, so take it for what it’s worth.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Burt123 View Post
I must have missed the comparison. YX/OO are not WO’s and own all their aircraft, UA doesn’t own any of them. The pilot group was decimated at Comair, DL owned the aircraft. So my question is again who would fill the void? That talk is complete nonsense.
Said the XJT pilot in 2011!
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Originally Posted by amcnd View Post
Why has Expressjet gone along with this they didn’t take a stance to protect there own Jumpseats? Whyonly SkyWest/Repubic.??
We have priority on mainline now over non exclusive UAX carriers. Not only that, XJT Pilots are really tired of Skywest. Your non union carrier grew at our expense. Karma!
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Originally Posted by TenaciousB View Post
The way it was messaged, supposedly the jumpseat committee at UALPA wouldn’t even talk with or return calls from our jumpseat committee to discuss or negotiate this change. Basically taking the reciprocal and agreement out of “reciprocal agreement “. It was less about the final priority than the fact that we couldn’t discuss it ahead of time and negotiate. It’s hard to parse out exactly what happened but that’s what I’m personally gathering based on the communications, so take it for what it’s worth.
I read the message put out by Skywest jumpseat association volunteer group. Again, a jumpseat war won’t help at all. United pilots can easily purchase tickets to work or have our duty manager positive space us on a flight if need be(if it is our last commute option). Hell, my last month of commuting between hubs a year or two ago on mainline I purchased 1st class seats to and from using the discount and enjoyed the comfy seat. I don’t want to see mainline captains blanket denying the three non exclusive carriers jumpseats (and I won’t) if they start a war but I see it coming. Nobody “wins” these but some people definitely “lose” and based on economics, it won’t be mainline UAL pilots.
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