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Old 10-18-2019 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RequiredField
Please encourage them to pursue this through their J/S committee as well as whatever channels are available to ZW concerning pass travel. They might even consider, after speaking with their reps, bringing UALALPA into the loop in an FYI sort of way. If this is true at face value, this “c”aptain went way the **** out of his lane (as some eventually do when reacting emotionally to something). This guy may have put all SKW pass privileges on UAL in jeopardy, if not his own employment.
It’s been suggested that perhaps a misunderstanding occurred in the comm between the gate and jet bridge. Whether it did or not, this highlights an important point of leaving the gate agents out of this. There’s been several reports of captains too chicken**** to deny the j/s face to face, and instead, briefing agents to not send down or even list UAL/UAX-E jumpseaters. Their JOB is to do exactly that! I don’t know, perhaps these pilots think they’ll remain nameless if the jumpseaters never make it to the plane?? That would be a bad assumption.
Whichever the case, the tantrum will eventually either be abandoned or it will be taken too far and Mom will lose her patience and **** gets real..
My sincere hope is that it was a miscommunication. Otherwise this was a boneheaded move on his part.
Old 10-18-2019 | 08:16 AM
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lol, this story of a non-rev passenger getting denied is just as obviously false as all these stories United mainline guys are talking about getting bumped off of flights by a SkyWest FO with a delta lanyard. Funny how everybody has "herd" the same story. Nice misinformation campaign guys.
Old 10-18-2019 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bogeydriver
Go “out of there way?” Here’s how it works; the said pilot checks in at the gate. The agent is required to issue a cockpit access card that allows that pilot to check in with the Captain. Then it’s the Captain’s call as to whether that pilot rides or not. Telling agents to deny jumpseat to any UA or exclusive UAX pilot is a gutless move; hiding behind the agent’s skirt without the spine to tell the guy to his face “No, you can’t ride.”
Maybe the pilot doesn't want to deal with a hostile pilot group just moments before he takes 50 souls up to FL300. You guys brought this on yourselves with the UALPA bully tactics to try to force this agreement down our throats, then with the blacklist campaign. Don't act so surprised all the time, not a good look.
Old 10-18-2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Maybe the pilot doesn't want to deal with a hostile pilot group just moments before he takes 50 souls up to FL300. You guys brought this on yourselves with the UALPA bully tactics to try to force this agreement down our throats, then with the blacklist campaign. Don't act so surprised all the time, not a good look.
A pilot who is going to get so emotionally distraught by walking up to a gate and telling someone they can’t fly probably shouldn’t being doing this job. We are in a customer service industry and part of that service is checking the gate. JS war aside, I think any HR department would think twice about hiring such a pilot to represent their company.
Old 10-18-2019 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Maybe the pilot doesn't want to deal with a hostile pilot group just moments before he takes 50 souls up to FL300..
It’s referred to as “adulting.”
Old 10-18-2019 | 09:18 AM
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Perspective. In a previous industry, if I would have attempted to settle a dispute with a contractor by suggesting I could blackball him/her from ever being employed by my employer, I would have been terminated. Clear ethics violation regardless of my personal position.
Old 10-18-2019 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar
Perspective. In a previous industry, if I would have attempted to settle a dispute with a contractor by suggesting I could blackball him/her from ever being employed by my employer, I would have been terminated. Clear ethics violation regardless of my personal position.
In the real world you don't THREATEN to blackball him, or tell him you're going to blackball him, you just do it.
Old 10-18-2019 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar
Perspective. In a previous industry, if I would have attempted to settle a dispute with a contractor by suggesting I could blackball him/her from ever being employed by my employer, I would have been terminated. Clear ethics violation regardless of my personal position.
In this industry there is a big list out there of people who crossed a line. There are exceptions to the rule, but the majority of those did not find employment with top tier companies as a result of their actions. Those who were put on the list for crossing at CAL and UAL have kept their jobs, but they have always been looked down upon. Pilots on that list who eventually had to seek employment elsewhere mostly ended up at ACMI or LCC operations. No HR department or union will openly admit to avoiding applicants on any type of list, they just end up preferring the other applicant. The result is the same. If you anger those who you seek employment from, don’t expect a call.
Old 10-18-2019 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BenTover
"Authorized personnel" on the jumpseat priority list is intended as a backup for crew movement. Flights have been cancelled due to inability to deadhead crews on full flights and unwillingness to remove revenue passengers. Positive space jumpseats on the regionals will greatly ease this issue.

Your intuition is right. All you need are the facts in support.
Not at United. Pilots will never be in the JS for for Positive Space crew movement. If a pilot tries help the Company and gives up his PS to ride the JS, that pilot better find alternate means of transportation...they won’t be sitting in my JS.
Old 10-18-2019 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
lol, this story of a non-rev passenger getting denied is just as obviously false as all these stories United mainline guys are talking about getting bumped off of flights by a SkyWest FO with a delta lanyard. Funny how everybody has "herd" the same story. Nice misinformation campaign guys.
Yep, because your student council has been so forthcoming in all of this, it must be a lie. I mean it’s not like I heard it from the horses mouth or anything. I didn’t realize Mormons put extra sweetener in the Koolaid. St. George has you trained well.
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