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10-18-2019 | 01:55 PM

#551

watcher444

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.

You didn’t HAVE to. You CHOSE to. If you find yourself on a list, it is entirely on you.

10-18-2019 | 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawker445

................(eyeroll)
This was taken above SAPA and UALPAs head to higher ups. Doubt original terms were agreed to.

The clause, "United authorized personel" above all others thats originally for Company execs, DOJ, FAA, has been removed. I'm pleased with that.

It was a red herring I am thinking......UAL were never going to put MGT or PS on the JS

10-18-2019 | 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.

It is YOUR JS and it was your choice.......you chose wrong

10-18-2019 | 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Floyd

Not my idea but something to think about. At United we've been trying to educate gate agents that it's the Captain who determines the recipient of the jumpseat. Gate agents are to send all potential jumpseat pilots down to the airplane.

The gate agents were unfortunately brought into this as the arbiter of who rides the jumpseat. We may have taken a couple steps backwards.

Very true and sad that we have to unscrew the pooch again because of a few cPT who shirked their responsibility to control their JS.

10-18-2019 | 02:32 PM

#555

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Damn...SkyWest sure showed United! Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

10-18-2019 | 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Floyd

Thanks for your level headed posts. Best of luck going forward.

I'm just glad I was off this entire week and did not have to argue with one of our CAs if he/she tried to deny the jump. Going back to work tonight and now my biggest concern is finding my gate with the new numbering system @ SFO, which is only slightly less confusing than the new JS priority.

10-18-2019 | 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbosina

Good luck. Told my FO he's buying the beer if I turn into the wrong gate at SFO.

10-18-2019 | 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.

We had to? GMAB. If there’s a “spineless” list I hope you made it.

10-18-2019 | 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

The agreement came just as we had to decline a UAL pilot the jumpseat. Probably made the list. That’s just flippin’ great.

Just to be clear you chose to deny the jumpseat. When ALPA first established the concept of the jumpseat the first tenants were that it never be withheld or politicized regardless of differences between pilot groups.
One of the key reasons for that is regardless of what we think about Captains authority management in the end owns the jumpseat. When pilot groups make decisions like the SkyWest pilots just did the repercussions can be huge and cost everyone a valuable tool.