UAL and Jumpseats
10-17-2019, 08:49 PM
#491
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Originally Posted by amcnd
OO/RP =65% of all UAX departures...
10-17-2019, 09:20 PM
#492
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
as an OO pilot i really hope this is not true. Non rev bennies are NOT supposed to be in jealousy here. I can see the JS, but ABSOLUTELY no excuse for denying a non rev or zed fare for any reason you would not deny a paying passenger.
10-17-2019, 09:50 PM
#493
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Yeah, I mean, how does a CA deny a non-rev for any reason other than 'the guy's intoxicated/ a safety hazard'?!? I hope this isn't true, but if it is, that CA needs some serious education.
10-18-2019, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mcat
Unfortunately it’s true. Heard it from the pilot right after it happened...Gate agent called someone on the other end of the jetbridge, that person told the CA an Air Wisconsin non rev Pilot wants on, and he said no.
10-18-2019, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
Domestic lift, yes, total lift no. SkyWest has 1000 of United’s domestic departures per day which I believe is 2500 total. Republic is around 400.
On the jumpseat issue at hand, I believe a more reasoned response would have been to lump UAL pilots into the OAL bucket wrt jumpseat priority until a mutually agreed upon solution could be completed. I understand both arguments thoroughly so there is no need to rehash them here.
I also believe that weaponizing a safety document like an FOM sets an incredibly bad precedent. I can’t imagine that any POI is going to look positively on a flight ops team and leadership team that is willing to do so.
10-18-2019, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
Again, we aren’t talking the same language. Departures are only part of the equation. ASM is the industry accepted metric. The current ratio of mainline domestic to express domestic ASM is roughly 4 to 1. Meaning if Skywest and Republic are doing 65% of the express flying (no idea if correct but seems reasonable?), then they’re providing approx 16% of the domestic ASM. Not insignificant by any means and definitely a critical part of the United business model.
On the jumpseat issue at hand, I believe a more reasoned response would have been to lump UAL pilots into the OAL bucket wrt jumpseat priority until a mutually agreed upon solution could be completed. I understand both arguments thoroughly so there is no need to rehash them here.
I also believe that weaponizing a safety document like an FOM sets an incredibly bad precedent. I can’t imagine that any POI is going to look positively on a flight ops team and leadership team that is willing to do so.
On the jumpseat issue at hand, I believe a more reasoned response would have been to lump UAL pilots into the OAL bucket wrt jumpseat priority until a mutually agreed upon solution could be completed. I understand both arguments thoroughly so there is no need to rehash them here.
I also believe that weaponizing a safety document like an FOM sets an incredibly bad precedent. I can’t imagine that any POI is going to look positively on a flight ops team and leadership team that is willing to do so.
10-18-2019, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mcat
Unfortunately it’s true. Heard it from the pilot right after it happened...Gate agent called someone on the other end of the jetbridge, that person told the CA an Air Wisconsin non rev Pilot wants on, and he said no.
10-18-2019, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
excited is the last word i would use. a ZW guy/gal did not make it home and an OO pilot overstepped (no offense but im going to caveat "assuming this is true") but yes i believe this could happen given the size of our pilot group and the emotions that are at play
10-18-2019, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by willd
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