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05-18-2022, 04:22 PM
#22
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,281
Originally Posted by Fr8dawgg
How is the training at Spirit? Still pretty short and sweet?
05-18-2022, 07:05 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by jpso
Oh boy.
ULCCs sell their own tickets, their pay scales top at $270/hr and they offer a 15% DC. You will never be in a "better position" at a regional.
Get out as fast as you can.
ULCCs sell their own tickets, their pay scales top at $270/hr and they offer a 15% DC. You will never be in a "better position" at a regional.
Get out as fast as you can.
05-19-2022, 05:20 AM
#24
Lives in Base
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 399
Originally Posted by CC268
Just not sure I’m ready to commute across the country vs being home based…but yea I’m starting to be more and more convinced that it might be the better choice haha
Frontier has DEN/LAS and is opening PHX. All bases are attainable within a couple months for FOs. By the time you're out of new hire training you would likely be LAS based which, probably isn't a bad commute from PHX. This time next year, you could be at Frontier, PHX based at $118/hr with that 15% DC flying an A320.
Hit that submit button and start attending those events. Get out of the regionals as fast as you can.
05-19-2022, 05:49 AM
#25
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by CC268
Man I've really been going back and forth on whether or not to apply to Spirit/Frontier.
Background: 28 years old, currently an FO, home based in PHX, which is great. Flew Part 135 for a short while and was a CFI before that. No failures of any kind, clean record, engineering background (worked for a large aerospace company previously). Recently had my apps and resume reviewed (Delta, United, American, SWA). Need to add Alaska to that list too I guess.
My initial thoughts have been to just upgrade at SKW and then hopefully move on to a legacy. I could upgrade at the end of this year. However, it seems like a lot of guys in my shoes are jumping to LCCs. I've been really torn on whether or not to apply to Spirit and Frontier. I think what really is preventing me is the idea of commuting to Philly or Florida. Seems like that would be a total nightmare from AZ. My wife and I just bought our first home in AZ too, so moving to Philly or Florida is not an option right now. In addition, by the time I interviewed with a LCC, went through training, IOE, etc, I wouldn't be far off from upgrading at SKW. I've been very proactive in positioning myself, hence why I've already had my apps and resume professionally reviewed. Next step will probably be to attend one of these conferences (potentially OBAP in August).
I've been flying with a ton of SKW Captains with less than ~500 hours PIC who are getting picked up at the legacies. My gut tells me stick it out, upgrade, and work hard to get to a legacy. Also with this upcoming recession, I may be in a better position at SKW than at the bottom of a LCC?
Background: 28 years old, currently an FO, home based in PHX, which is great. Flew Part 135 for a short while and was a CFI before that. No failures of any kind, clean record, engineering background (worked for a large aerospace company previously). Recently had my apps and resume reviewed (Delta, United, American, SWA). Need to add Alaska to that list too I guess.
My initial thoughts have been to just upgrade at SKW and then hopefully move on to a legacy. I could upgrade at the end of this year. However, it seems like a lot of guys in my shoes are jumping to LCCs. I've been really torn on whether or not to apply to Spirit and Frontier. I think what really is preventing me is the idea of commuting to Philly or Florida. Seems like that would be a total nightmare from AZ. My wife and I just bought our first home in AZ too, so moving to Philly or Florida is not an option right now. In addition, by the time I interviewed with a LCC, went through training, IOE, etc, I wouldn't be far off from upgrading at SKW. I've been very proactive in positioning myself, hence why I've already had my apps and resume professionally reviewed. Next step will probably be to attend one of these conferences (potentially OBAP in August).
I've been flying with a ton of SKW Captains with less than ~500 hours PIC who are getting picked up at the legacies. My gut tells me stick it out, upgrade, and work hard to get to a legacy. Also with this upcoming recession, I may be in a better position at SKW than at the bottom of a LCC?
NK/F9 are great companies where you could spend your entire career. LAS is junior for both, and the commute from PHX wouldn't be bad. Not to mention F9 is opening PHX. The future is bright for the ULCC market. And if you so desire, you can always shoot for DAL/UA/AA later. PIC time not required anymore, probably won't be in the near term at least.
Personal decision at the end of the day. Do what's best for your situation. But a seniority number at a ULCC is not something to look down on. Going to F9 MTC tomorrow, and NK next month.
Good luck to you!
05-19-2022, 01:11 PM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 711
Originally Posted by CC268
Man I've really been going back and forth on whether or not to apply to Spirit/Frontier.
Background: 28 years old, currently an FO, home based in PHX, which is great. Flew Part 135 for a short while and was a CFI before that. No failures of any kind, clean record, engineering background (worked for a large aerospace company previously). Recently had my apps and resume reviewed (Delta, United, American, SWA). Need to add Alaska to that list too I guess.
My initial thoughts have been to just upgrade at SKW and then hopefully move on to a legacy. I could upgrade at the end of this year. However, it seems like a lot of guys in my shoes are jumping to LCCs. I've been really torn on whether or not to apply to Spirit and Frontier. I think what really is preventing me is the idea of commuting to Philly or Florida. Seems like that would be a total nightmare from AZ. My wife and I just bought our first home in AZ too, so moving to Philly or Florida is not an option right now. In addition, by the time I interviewed with a LCC, went through training, IOE, etc, I wouldn't be far off from upgrading at SKW. I've been very proactive in positioning myself, hence why I've already had my apps and resume professionally reviewed. Next step will probably be to attend one of these conferences (potentially OBAP in August).
I've been flying with a ton of SKW Captains with less than ~500 hours PIC who are getting picked up at the legacies. My gut tells me stick it out, upgrade, and work hard to get to a legacy. Also with this upcoming recession, I may be in a better position at SKW than at the bottom of a LCC?
Background: 28 years old, currently an FO, home based in PHX, which is great. Flew Part 135 for a short while and was a CFI before that. No failures of any kind, clean record, engineering background (worked for a large aerospace company previously). Recently had my apps and resume reviewed (Delta, United, American, SWA). Need to add Alaska to that list too I guess.
My initial thoughts have been to just upgrade at SKW and then hopefully move on to a legacy. I could upgrade at the end of this year. However, it seems like a lot of guys in my shoes are jumping to LCCs. I've been really torn on whether or not to apply to Spirit and Frontier. I think what really is preventing me is the idea of commuting to Philly or Florida. Seems like that would be a total nightmare from AZ. My wife and I just bought our first home in AZ too, so moving to Philly or Florida is not an option right now. In addition, by the time I interviewed with a LCC, went through training, IOE, etc, I wouldn't be far off from upgrading at SKW. I've been very proactive in positioning myself, hence why I've already had my apps and resume professionally reviewed. Next step will probably be to attend one of these conferences (potentially OBAP in August).
I've been flying with a ton of SKW Captains with less than ~500 hours PIC who are getting picked up at the legacies. My gut tells me stick it out, upgrade, and work hard to get to a legacy. Also with this upcoming recession, I may be in a better position at SKW than at the bottom of a LCC?
05-19-2022, 04:46 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Pass rate is still over 99% from the last report.
Originally Posted by Round Luggage
Really 99%? Or 1% get terminated?
1% fail/terminated doesn't account for "resigned to pursue other interests"
I'm pretty confident that a "short and sweet" bus course is not going to pass 99% of low-time RJ FO's or CFI's.
Experienced professional turbine pilots might achieve a 99% pass rate on the bus. It's easy AF to fly but not quite so easy to learn.
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