ALPA files Oppostion to Part 135 Operation
06-09-2023, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah
We've got plenty of ERJs and CRJs being flown around with less experienced crews than Colgan 3407.
Originally Posted by Utah
As far as the 1500 hour rule.. I don't think it gave us saver pilots. Prior to implementation, I flew with 100s of pilots hired at 750-1000 hours and had much fewer issues. At that point, the company could be way more selective in hiring and training standards were higher. 1500 hours resulted in hiring pilots that normally wouldn't have been offered a job in the past. (They even fired the hiring manager over this)
06-09-2023, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Those same guys, unless they flew in the military, also flew single pilot Part 135 for several years, and had 3500+ hours when they got hired by a regional to fly a Metro or Jetstream.
I remember in the 90s it was almost unheard of to get hired at SkyWest with less than 2500tt and 500 multi.
I remember in the 90s it was almost unheard of to get hired at SkyWest with less than 2500tt and 500 multi.
06-09-2023, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Serious question. What other regionals have a scope clause in their contract?
As far as opportunities for flying... with 80-100 aircraft parked due to lack of Captains, there are plenty of opportunities to fly -at least if you are in the left seat. We do have an excess of FOs that can't get hours due to this. Hence the delay in new hire classes.
As far as opportunities for flying... with 80-100 aircraft parked due to lack of Captains, there are plenty of opportunities to fly -at least if you are in the left seat. We do have an excess of FOs that can't get hours due to this. Hence the delay in new hire classes.
I think you've been around this industry for a while, so you may remember how hard the American Eagle pilots had to fight to get "one list" for themselves. Some (All?) of the American Eagle ATRs were actually operated on the Executive Airlines certificate, but they were flown by pilots on the American Eagle seniority list.
You may also remember when Mesa created the alter ego carrier Freedom Airlines and the disaster that caused. The Mesa pilots fought hard (and paid dearly) to get "one list" language in their scope section and put the Freedom debacle to bed. After the "one list" battle, Mesa continued to use the Freedom certificate for some of their Delta Connection operations, but the Freedom jets were flown by pilots on the Mesa seniority list.
You probably also remember the three airlines under the Republic umbrella - Republic, Shuttle America, and Chautauqua. All three of those airlines were flown by pilots on one seniority list. I am less familiar with Republic's history but I am assuming that was thanks to language in their scope section.
I caution you agains the thought process of "Skywest has some jets parked right now, this is no big deal" .... that sounds eerily similar to the Legacy airline pilots in the early 1990s that said "we don't want to fly those little regional jets."
06-09-2023, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
Yea, actually there is plenty stopping pro rate flying to hinter lands. All pro rate flying has to get the green light from the partners using their code to fly those routes. The major partners are still having to invest money and resources for those routes. SkyWest cannot just fly and do whatever they want with pro rate flying. Seems like you really don't how how this stuff works.
The pilot issue is a secondary issue with the charter situation. Like I said, get out of the bubble and see this for what it really is.
The pilot issue is a secondary issue with the charter situation. Like I said, get out of the bubble and see this for what it really is.
06-11-2023, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
Yea, actually there is plenty stopping pro rate flying to hinter lands. All pro rate flying has to get the green light from the partners using their code to fly those routes. The major partners are still having to invest money and resources for those routes. SkyWest cannot just fly and do whatever they want with pro rate flying. Seems like you really don't how how this stuff works.
The pilot issue is a secondary issue with the charter situation. Like I said, get out of the bubble and see this for what it really is.
The pilot issue is a secondary issue with the charter situation. Like I said, get out of the bubble and see this for what it really is.
what exactly do the major partners have to invest other than assigning a flight number?
Kirby would love to fly all the 50 seaters that scope allows if he could.
06-11-2023, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bradthepilot
I agree - the hour requirements have certainly dropped since those days. At the same time, the 90s were a long time ago and skills atrophy. Plenty of folks I've had the opportunity to fly with who flew metros etc. years ago are nervous when the autopilot is deferred for example. The exception seems to be those who are still active in GA and thus used to actually flying something.
06-11-2023, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
what exactly do the major partners have to invest other than assigning a flight number?
Kirby would love to fly all the 50 seaters that scope allows if he could.
Kirby would love to fly all the 50 seaters that scope allows if he could.
I hope this is a joke response because it is hilarious.
Lets just take the most basic of costs they have to invest. That is a reservation system......which comes with all the equipment, the maintenance of the system, the labor to run and operate the system, etc etc etc etc etc etc.
And to say Kirby would love to fly more 50 seaters is laughable given the current situation of the industry.
06-11-2023, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
Well, seems we found another one who lives in a bubble.
I hope this is a joke response because it is hilarious.
Lets just take the most basic of costs they have to invest. That is a reservation system......which comes with all the equipment, the maintenance of the system, the labor to run and operate the system, etc etc etc etc etc etc.
And to say Kirby would love to fly more 50 seaters is laughable given the current situation of the industry.
I hope this is a joke response because it is hilarious.
Lets just take the most basic of costs they have to invest. That is a reservation system......which comes with all the equipment, the maintenance of the system, the labor to run and operate the system, etc etc etc etc etc etc.
And to say Kirby would love to fly more 50 seaters is laughable given the current situation of the industry.
the current state of the industry is not conducive to flying 50 seaters but that doesn’t mean that Kirby doesn’t want to. CRJ 550 anyone?
06-11-2023, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
the majors already have a reservation system. The marginal cost of adding a flight is zero.
the current state of the industry is not conducive to flying 50 seaters but that doesn’t mean that Kirby doesn’t want to. CRJ 550 anyone?
the current state of the industry is not conducive to flying 50 seaters but that doesn’t mean that Kirby doesn’t want to. CRJ 550 anyone?
Wait, so is it state of the industry that wont allow it or scope that keeps Kirby at bay? Pick a side here......
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