Skywest vs Envoy
09-13-2015 | 07:43 AM
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The Flow is an opportunity for career advancement. Why would someone pass up another opportunity if offered earlier? While I will agree we do have some guys that are just sitting back waiting to flow but most here recognize that they are better off taking the first opportunity for career advancement that comes.
Just because someone works for envoy, they are not locked into waiting on the flow. They can still interview at any company just as if they would if they worked for Republic, SkyWest, Compass, TSA/GoJets etc. Its just another option. I'm sorry you choose to give that up. How has that been working out for you?
Just because someone works for envoy, they are not locked into waiting on the flow. They can still interview at any company just as if they would if they worked for Republic, SkyWest, Compass, TSA/GoJets etc. Its just another option. I'm sorry you choose to give that up. How has that been working out for you?
Realy good actualy.. Just pointing out. Eagle 2000' vs Eagle 2018 will be a lot smaller..
09-13-2015 | 08:38 AM
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Be a big boy and FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF like the rest of us did. Read the forums, spend a little time talking to actual employees, and use that grey mush on top of your neck to make a decision. Jesus Christ. What are you going to do when you actually have to make a hard decision? Poll the passengers?
There have literally been DOZENS of these posts in the past two weeks of people begging for the rest of us to solve their problems for them. You circumstances are no different than hundreds and hundreds of other pilots who are also having a hard time making a decision. Not sure about SKywest's pass program? Do you think there might be a thread somewhere in here where you'll be able to ask that question?
There have literally been DOZENS of these posts in the past two weeks of people begging for the rest of us to solve their problems for them. You circumstances are no different than hundreds and hundreds of other pilots who are also having a hard time making a decision. Not sure about SKywest's pass program? Do you think there might be a thread somewhere in here where you'll be able to ask that question?
09-13-2015 | 09:00 AM
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It might be a little smaller possibly, but I think Parker has finally figured out that new hires will come Envoy in droves for a 5-6 year flow. He can keep wages lower than other regionals because new pilots will be attracted to this pipeline to AA without interviewing. Senior expensive pilots flow and are replaced by cheap 2 year captains. Plus Envoy benefits are the same as AA and that could offset some unhappiness for waiting 6 years to flow. Quick upgrades will be nice too. I don't see a shortage for Envoy, even when they start growing by taking back flying from the regionals that can't staff. Let's face it, morale and attrition rates at most regionals will be a problem. I see Envoy and Piedmont poaching hundreds of pilots from other carriers. And I don't see many leaving Envoy for Spirit, Frontier or Virgin etc due to the career earnings and retirements at AA. Not everyone wants to work for American due to whatever, but most will be willing to hang around a little longer (passing up Spirit and LCCs) to get to AA.
09-13-2015 | 09:02 AM
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I had half a month of reserve at SkyWest... A good friend of mine has been on reserve at Envoy over two years now. I don't know about all this movement people are speaking of.
At SkyWest if you pick CRJ you get benefits on Delta, AA, and United. I think the 175 you don't get Delta but you do get AA after 6 months and United a week or two after starting.
I remember someone posting mandatory retirement numbers and there being more retirements in the next 5 years than there are regional pilots. If that's true (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) a flow any more than five years seems like a carrot, doesn't it?
At SkyWest if you pick CRJ you get benefits on Delta, AA, and United. I think the 175 you don't get Delta but you do get AA after 6 months and United a week or two after starting.
I remember someone posting mandatory retirement numbers and there being more retirements in the next 5 years than there are regional pilots. If that's true (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) a flow any more than five years seems like a carrot, doesn't it?
09-13-2015 | 09:06 AM
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I'll second Turbosina's post about living in base. Driving to work and flying to work are two completely different jobs. Ideally pick a regional that lets you drive to work in a relatively junior domicile.
The guy that said moving for a regional job is stupid is completely clueless. If you are fortunate enough to have a situation that allows you to avoid commuting you should pursue. And good on you for trying to make an informed choice.
The guy that said moving for a regional job is stupid is completely clueless. If you are fortunate enough to have a situation that allows you to avoid commuting you should pursue. And good on you for trying to make an informed choice.
09-13-2015 | 09:17 AM
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From: GV Captain
1. What is envoy's first yr pay? Is it still $26 x hr?
2. How long reserve at envoy? 5 yrs still?
3. How are trip values. 60 hrs per month?
4. Upgrades still at 8 yrs?
5. Flow still at 16yrs and increasing?
Cujo and the rest of the salesmen here should answer these questions for any prospect.
Good Luck!
2. How long reserve at envoy? 5 yrs still?
3. How are trip values. 60 hrs per month?
4. Upgrades still at 8 yrs?
5. Flow still at 16yrs and increasing?
Cujo and the rest of the salesmen here should answer these questions for any prospect.
Good Luck!
09-13-2015 | 09:38 AM
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I had half a month of reserve at SkyWest... A good friend of mine has been on reserve at Envoy over two years now. I don't know about all this movement people are speaking of.
At SkyWest if you pick CRJ you get benefits on Delta, AA, and United. I think the 175 you don't get Delta but you do get AA after 6 months and United a week or two after starting.
I remember someone posting mandatory retirement numbers and there being more retirements in the next 5 years than there are regional pilots. If that's true (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) a flow any more than five years seems like a carrot, doesn't it?
At SkyWest if you pick CRJ you get benefits on Delta, AA, and United. I think the 175 you don't get Delta but you do get AA after 6 months and United a week or two after starting.
I remember someone posting mandatory retirement numbers and there being more retirements in the next 5 years than there are regional pilots. If that's true (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) a flow any more than five years seems like a carrot, doesn't it?
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Poor guy.
09-13-2015 | 04:19 PM
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