RyanP

As an FO you can change bases BUT you CANNOT bid turbojet to turbojet aircraft (UNLESS) you displace or proffer to displace during a displacement bid.. which do happen from time to time. I have switched aircraft 3 times in displacements, sometimes because I wanted too, sometimes not.

Pretty much expect to stay on whatever you get until upgrade though.


Currently after November:
DFW- EMB 145/EMB 175
ORD- EMB 145/CRJ 700

So if you want to be the most flexible.. EMB 145 is your safest bet. Although if you get CRJ, you will probably be able to displace to whatever you want within a couple years anyway.. plus they move airplanes around like musical chairs.. CRJ could move some or all to DFW at anytime. It has happened before and could happen again.

FlameNSky

Actually, there are guys currently on reserve at 4 years but that is because we have had very few new hires and a lot of shrinking during that time period. Not to mention, a full 35% of our pilots are on reserve right now. But since Mesa and RAH cannot fulfill their ASAs, we are having a 50% increase in flying returned and we are losing 1/3 of our Captains each year to AA. There is no way anyone hired today will sit reserve more than a few months. Like the upgrade though, it will depend on how many they hire in the coming years. We actually have many senior pilots bidding reserve right now so they can sit at home and get paid not to work. Not a bad deal really.

RyanP

It has been explained many times why that has happened, and why it will be trending back down for new hires on the other envoy threads.

Past pilots reserve/upgrade time is irrelevant for a new hire.

SayAlt

I'll believe it when I see it. This industry is long on promise and short on delivery, and whenever it sounds too good to be true you could bank on it being exactly that.

Only if you are 100% accurate about your prognostications and claims. Can you really blame anyone for being skeptical in this industry??

Right now, today, a Skywest new hire KNOWS for certain sure he/she won't be stuck on reserve for more than a month or two (if that). An Envoy new hire cannot make that claim and can only hope that won't be the case. That's a really big deal for anyone who commutes to the job (granted that Envoy will pay for a hotel room).

FlameNSky

I don't blame you a bit for being skeptical. I was too until it was disclosed to me what their plan was and was convinced by Parker's comments and actions that he is sincere in wanting the flow to work. Not because he is a nice guy but because he is a businessman and sees it as the cheapest solution to his problem of staffing AA regional flying.

The total 12,000 hrs of returned block flying are supposed to be complete by the end of the year. I have noticed an increase of about 30 hard lines for next month. This kind of surprised me since we have so many low time lines. I would have expected the additional flight hours to return the lines to higher times.

I would caution anyone considering a move from being too cautious. Those who move first will benefit the most. I am actually in the same boat trying to determine what major airline would be the best fit for me. You can research and try to make a educated decision but there are always unknowns.

I didn't come to Eagle for the flow but in the end, it is something that will work out very good for me. There are many pilots at Reno, TWA, Midwest, Eastern, ATA etc that might regret their career decisions, but there was no way they could have guess that things would have happened the way they did. What's the expression, "You will only know if you made the right choice when you retire." In the end, we all have to make our own choices and live with the consequences of those decisions. Overall, I would rather be a pilot starting out today than someone who had to endure the "lost decade" in the middle of their career. Until recently AA and US had 20 year upgrades. That like the lack of flow at envoy of the past is something we will not see again for quite a long time.

FirstClass

That very same thing was said a few months ago.

FlameNSky

Not by me. We could also get hit by a meteorite next week. Why even get out of bed, right?

The fact of the matter is, NO airline, NONE can guarantee future hiring numbers. No matter what someone's decision might me, that uncertainty is universal.

FAAGoldSealCFI

I heard envoy is a flaming mess and to avoid at all costs? That all the airplanes are being given away and all that will be left is 40 175's??

sublime259

Yup, that's right. Do us a favor and stick to your 172.

Turbosina

All this talk about flight benefits makes me wonder...

1. Sure, the flight is free, but the hotel ain't. On FO pay, who can afford to go anywhere fun?

2. To travel internationally, especially nonrev, you need a solid week off. In the era of min days off each bid period, this ain't happening unless you're pretty senior.

3. On my days off, the LAST place I want to be is the airport.

Choose your airline based on plenty of factors, but choosing one for the travel 'benefits'? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. YMMV...