What would it take for that to happen, or can they not because of current contracts with labor? Not sure how all that works. I guess what I am asking is if there is a chance either one will (or even can, legally) bump the pay to match or exceed Endeavor's new pay package? Thanks in advance

 

Compass, effective Nov 1, raised first year pay to $36 an hour. It was $25.54. It's in the contact now that it can be raised again with prior notification from the company over the span of the next three years. Do I think they'll raise it again? Not anytime soon.

 

Skyw just finished bumping it and company can raise it a six more bucks any time they please. But no, Endeavor rates won't happen imo.

 

There is only so much non-wholly owned carriers can raise pay. Note that pay raises at these carriers have gone up to approximately what the majority of other FOs get paid, but no across the board significant increases have been seen with the exception of Endeavor. Air Service Agreements (ASAs) with mainline carriers provide relatively small margins, thus little room to move pay up the way Endeavor did. So far, we're not seeing mainline carriers adjust ASAs to accommodate non-wholly owned's needs to raise pay in a fashion that would allow these carriers to pay more while staying financially responsible.

 

SkyWest has the the authorization from the pilot group to raise 1st year pay to $36. They just raised to $30 a few months ago. I don't see them raising it again anytime soon, because they are not having any problems filling classes at the moment. Still plenty of new guys showing up to class it seems.

 

Endeavor pays all of their payscales an extra $22,000+/year. Unless you really wanted to live in a Compass/Skywest only base for less pay, you are talking tens of thousands of dollars less at those companies versus Endeavor. Basically, Compass/Skywest raised first year pay only, while Endeavor raised all of their payscales a significant amount more than Compass/Skywest raised their first year by. This equals compounding earnings, year 2 and beyond.

Add in that Endeavor is adding airplanes, has hundreds of pilots with guaranteed slots at Delta and that the Compass flow is over, I would pick Endeavor over Compass if I were making a leap to the regionals right now.

I would be suspicious of pilots stating otherwise, since their motives may be to get you in a seat behind them, so they can secure the staffing needed behind them so they can upgrade. It's an unfortunate truth that is occurring now with the regionals struggling to staff their airlines and something prospective new hires will need to shift through the noise to see the reality of what they are getting into.

 

Or someone recommends a place because they think it's a good place to be. Not everyone has an ulterior motive.

 

Fixed it for you...

 

Compass has less than 800 pilots so it seems like it wouldn't be that difficult to attract 400 pilots behind a new hire to get an upgrade, and for anyone living near LAX or SEA, not having to commute across the country for the extra pay at 9E seems reasonable that not commuting would be worth the lower pay.


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If Compass gets more airplanes, expect to see the first year pay raise again. If not, only if they have trouble staying ahead of attrition.
Our contract says: "The Company may further raise first-year FO pay with 30 days’ notice to ALPA. If first year pay gets to within 2% less than second-year pay, the remaining FO pay steps will be increased so as to maintain current percentages between the pay steps." 30 days isn't much time. They'll do whatever they need to fill classes when they want - so the market decides whether or not the pay goes up.