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Blackwing 10-16-2017 10:13 PM

Was talking with a guy from Endeavor last night on the parking lot shuttle (and for a few minutes after we got off), he said their TA includes a provision requiring the company to match any compensation gains made by pilot groups at other DCI carriers subsequently.

Frankly, it just doesn't make sense to come here anymore. Upgrades with minimum hours will be the industry standard going forward, so the quick upgrade is everywhere. Go where the money is, not where your friends think is the "cool" place to work.

With Endeavor and the other wholly-owneds free of the necessity to turn a profit, independent carriers (and their employees) cannot win this game.

chrisreedrules 10-17-2017 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2444406)
Get yourself into a little trouble?

Unions don’t just provide help when someone is in “trouble”. They provide a lot of other services too.

chrisreedrules 10-17-2017 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2448670)
Was talking with a guy from Endeavor last night on the parking lot shuttle (and for a few minutes after we got off), he said their TA includes a provision requiring the company to match any compensation gains made by pilot groups at other DCI carriers subsequently.

Frankly, it just doesn't make sense to come here anymore. Upgrades with minimum hours will be the industry standard going forward, so the quick upgrade is everywhere. Go where the money is, not where your friends think is the "cool" place to work.

With Endeavor and the other wholly-owneds free of the necessity to turn a profit, independent carriers (and their employees) cannot win this game.

My base CP told me a couple weeks ago that the Endeavor TA is Delta’s way of beginning to choke out some of the contract carriers. I don’t think that necessarily means SkyWest, because honestly I think your company has some pretty deep pockets and I also think you provide way too much lift to simply go away. But I do think the new 9E TA and most likely the subsequent pay raises at the AA WOs will certianly make things difficult for management at many places. I don’t see the TSH regionals having their contracts renewed.

elmetal 10-17-2017 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448783)
Yea, the usual parroted argument. Best service they provide is taking money.

Historical credit, that is all.

Union dues paid for.

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chrisreedrules 10-17-2017 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448797)
You have ALPA VP material written all over!!!

Is he wrong though?

word302 10-17-2017 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2448785)
Historical credit, that is all.

Union dues paid for.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

Paid for twice over. At least I get another nickel in per diem come January. Ballin'.

GreenLight 10-17-2017 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448783)
Yea, the usual parroted argument. Best service they provide is taking money.

I don't want a union at OO.
However: My dad lost his medical for 18 months due to a congenital disease. The only steroid that worked for him was not FAA approved. With the help of a union doctor, he was able to get the steroid approved and is back to flying.
This is anecdotal, and a sample size of 1. And my dad is certainly not a big union guy, at all. But in my family's case, the help they provided was huge.

deadseal 10-17-2017 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448797)
You have ALPA VP material written all over!!!

Check check radio 1 2 3...
The troll is strong with this guy. You have to give him credit. He comes across as a complete douche fairly consistently with the anti union bs. You can hate unions all you want, but at the end of the day unions protect you more than they hurt you


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