Recent base assignments
08-25-2018 | 09:33 AM
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I don’t think that is safe advice to give to a potential probationary pilot. The two hour callout is to get you to the lounge (check-in) an hour before push. To check/update pubs [now EFB], and take care of any other business before your acft show 30 min before push.
In the modern EFB age, does everyone show at the lounge 60 prior to push? No, especially with telephone check-in. But if you telephone check-in, the scheduler will often ask “Are you on property?” You put your career here at great risk if you do not answer truthfully. One flat tire or a stop-sign runner tagging you not yet on property will cost you dearly.
Now, yes, people can and do call in, stating ‘stuck in traffic, will not make report, but will make push’. Scheduling will say thanks for the call, call back when on property, and have a nice day. The next thing that scheduler will probably do is generate a pull sheet report for your chief pilot. The CP will drop it in the desk. If the CP finds several pull sheets with your name on it within, say 24 months, you get a call and possibly a letter in YOUR file. That is the first step in the chain.
If you are a probationary pilot, you’re getting quarterly reviews-I think-with your chief. Any of those pull sheets with your name will generate a conversation you would prefer not to have.
In the modern EFB age, does everyone show at the lounge 60 prior to push? No, especially with telephone check-in. But if you telephone check-in, the scheduler will often ask “Are you on property?” You put your career here at great risk if you do not answer truthfully. One flat tire or a stop-sign runner tagging you not yet on property will cost you dearly.
Now, yes, people can and do call in, stating ‘stuck in traffic, will not make report, but will make push’. Scheduling will say thanks for the call, call back when on property, and have a nice day. The next thing that scheduler will probably do is generate a pull sheet report for your chief pilot. The CP will drop it in the desk. If the CP finds several pull sheets with your name on it within, say 24 months, you get a call and possibly a letter in YOUR file. That is the first step in the chain.
If you are a probationary pilot, you’re getting quarterly reviews-I think-with your chief. Any of those pull sheets with your name will generate a conversation you would prefer not to have.
No chance you are getting a pull sheet unless you delay a flight and you are at fault. Schedulers care about one thing - getting a warm body in a seat. I have had several instances on and off probation of things delaying me. I have forgotten items at my crash pad, missed commute flights due to time mismanagement, etc. Never had a pull sheet. Not one. As long as you call them with a viable plan or excuse, you are good. You can also just text the captain and have him cover for you if it is a few minutes and you need to grab food, etc.
Two hours from where you are to the lounge (report) in zero traffic. You can call once on airport property. I have no idea where airport property starts, but I am smart enough to know that if I am the a hole that screws up this good deal for everyone, I am going to have a target on my back for a long time.
Being a HOU pilot, traffic is always a concern. Guys are late on a two hour call for traffic all the time. Just give them your best estimate and update them. They will understand and will work with you.
08-25-2018 | 09:40 AM
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RJSAviator76, You're quite the company man. Sure, you do it by the letter of the contract. But what about the passengers? Because of your letter of the law, you inconvenienced so many people. Who signs your check every month.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
08-25-2018 | 10:11 AM
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That’s a tough spot and I’ve been there a lot. If you follow the contract and the flight is late, you’re screwing a bunch of passengers, and even more the rest of the crew who might be trying to make commutes, have a decently long overnight, etc. On the other hand, by covering for scheduling, you are screwing your fellow pilots who should have had that trip at premium.
08-25-2018 | 10:15 AM
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RJSAviator76, You're quite the company man. Sure, you do it by the letter of the contract. But what about the passengers? Because of your letter of the law, you inconvenienced so many people. Who signs your check every month.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
I didn’t inconvenience them. I wasn’t the one who chose to roll the dice with reserves as opposed to assigning the trip at premium.
08-25-2018 | 10:36 AM
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RJSAviator76, You're quite the company man. Sure, you do it by the letter of the contract. But what about the passengers? Because of your letter of the law, you inconvenienced so many people. Who signs your check every month.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
Don't go there. This is a line that can't be casually crossed with a flippant scornful lecture about how people could go outside the contract to fix problems caused by the people with the actual authority and responsibility to prevent them in the first place. That leads to all sorts of idiotic finger pointing, hurts our day to day operatoins, and makes the next contract harder to negotiate, not easier.
That said, effort level is always a personal decision and I think most of us will hustle when necessary to keep the operation going smoothly. That's completely different from trying to shame a pilot into going outside the contract to fix a problem that was knowingly caused by scheduling.
08-25-2018 | 11:24 AM
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Ding ding ding. Exactly.
There is so much wrong Ivanas reply above, I don’t know where to start. Every time we allow them to violate our contract, we enable them to push even further in the name of not paying someone a little bit more. They already knowingly take advantage of new guys on reserve, I am taking my time and doing it safely and by the book. I am not responding to a false sense of urgency placed on me by an external source.
08-26-2018 | 01:12 AM
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It shouldn't fall to a junior, and usually probationary First Officer to make the trains run on time. This is a billion dollar corporation being cheap by both not awarding trips to premium bidders and refusing to adjust the RAP times to more accurately reflect the schedule. Both would cost $$$.
I stopped "helping out" when I see short-call trips get awarded to me as a reserve the day before with 20+ premium bids. I'll be at the gate 2:30 after they call me. And if Capt 1600 Sick Trips is standing there with the release wanting me to sign so he can "drop the brakes" I'll set them straight pretty quickly. The company has shown that they don't care about the passengers or about an on-time departure, so I no longer feel the need to rush myself.
I stopped "helping out" when I see short-call trips get awarded to me as a reserve the day before with 20+ premium bids. I'll be at the gate 2:30 after they call me. And if Capt 1600 Sick Trips is standing there with the release wanting me to sign so he can "drop the brakes" I'll set them straight pretty quickly. The company has shown that they don't care about the passengers or about an on-time departure, so I no longer feel the need to rush myself.
08-26-2018 | 05:56 AM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
RJSAviator76, You're quite the company man. Sure, you do it by the letter of the contract. But what about the passengers? Because of your letter of the law, you inconvenienced so many people. Who signs your check every month.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
I would bust my butt to get to the airport as fast as I could. I once flew a trip in civvies just to get an on time push. At one time you would have done anything to get the job. Now that you have it, screw the company.
Think about how much further along our profession would be if all of us conducted ourselves like RJS and followed the damned contract.
The scheduling and premium pay manipulation/shenanigans at this airline are ridiculous and pilots need to start following the contract to put an end to it as much as possible.
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