Swa etops?
11-24-2018 | 09:44 AM
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Good friend of mine is involved with getting ETOPS for another airline. He said that he was told by FAA contact that SWA did not pass the table-tops portion of getting ETOPS.
Now the question would be , how long does the FAA make them wait until they can try again.
ETOPS certification comes out of the Washington DC office, not your airlines's local FISDO, so having the long time connections and good relations doesn't help help you.
I also talked with a CA at ATI when I was jumpseating on them. He was involved with their process of getting ETOPS. He said the FAA fails a lot of airlines on their first try of going through the table-top exercise.
Now the question would be , how long does the FAA make them wait until they can try again.
ETOPS certification comes out of the Washington DC office, not your airlines's local FISDO, so having the long time connections and good relations doesn't help help you.
I also talked with a CA at ATI when I was jumpseating on them. He was involved with their process of getting ETOPS. He said the FAA fails a lot of airlines on their first try of going through the table-top exercise.
Some would throw the BS card on the pedestal. But can you beleive I heard the same news from, a reliable source, the Circle K cashier... He wouldn’t lie... he’s also the store manager.
11-24-2018 | 10:58 AM
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I suspect that if the FAA and SWA have issues with Etops it’s going to be about time. ETOPS takes time because a certified mechanic has to run a ETOPS check and sign off the log book. Some individual required checks can be time consuming. I have no doubt SWA is trying to compress that because they don’t want 90 minute turns.
11-24-2018 | 11:04 AM
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As a previous poster stated, the approval comes from DC. So this guy knows a guy who knows someone in DC. BS!!
11-24-2018 | 03:59 PM
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I suspect that if the FAA and SWA have issues with Etops it’s going to be about time. ETOPS takes time because a certified mechanic has to run a ETOPS check and sign off the log book. Some individual required checks can be time consuming. I have no doubt SWA is trying to compress that because they don’t want 90 minute turns.
11-24-2018 | 06:36 PM
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I suspect that if the FAA and SWA have issues with Etops it’s going to be about time. ETOPS takes time because a certified mechanic has to run a ETOPS check and sign off the log book. Some individual required checks can be time consuming. I have no doubt SWA is trying to compress that because they don’t want 90 minute turns.
11-25-2018 | 09:09 AM
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Is it kosher for the plane to get it's blessing at LAS or OAK, perform a flight or two, then right after perform ETOPS?
I have 100% confidence that we're gold as far as the 10 table top tests that require an aircraft actually in the air with a full crew and passengers.
IF we're having a problem, and that's a big IF, it is on paper, a logistical / coordination concern.
11-25-2018 | 09:48 AM
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Whether it's a 30 or 90 minute process, how can this be done at nearly half a dozen SoCal aiports that are NOT bases for the company?
Is it kosher for the plane to get it's blessing at LAS or OAK, perform a flight or two, then right after perform ETOPS?
I have 100% confidence that we're gold as far as the 10 table top tests that require an aircraft actually in the air with a full crew and passengers.
IF we're having a problem, and that's a big IF, it is on paper, a logistical / coordination concern.
Is it kosher for the plane to get it's blessing at LAS or OAK, perform a flight or two, then right after perform ETOPS?
I have 100% confidence that we're gold as far as the 10 table top tests that require an aircraft actually in the air with a full crew and passengers.
IF we're having a problem, and that's a big IF, it is on paper, a logistical / coordination concern.
11-25-2018 | 10:13 AM
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ETOPS checks a pretty comprehensive and would not be accomplished in less than an hour. Southwest quick turns to and from the islands will not be possible.
11-25-2018 | 10:14 AM
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You aren't going to complete an ETOPS check in less than an hour. Also keep in mind that ETOPS MELs are significantly more restrictive. Things that could normally be deferred can not for an ETOPS flight. So if an ETOPS bird comes in from DEN and the crew writes up an item that affects ETOPS it will either need to be fixed or another aircraft will need to be found. Southwest would be smart to build in buffers for repairs.
11-25-2018 | 11:43 AM
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for the record, "the guy" is good friends with the the guy that runs the FAA ETOPS office in DC. So I think he knows a little more than your brother's sister's friend......
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