MAX mitigation?
07-17-2019, 08:14 AM
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MAX mitigation?
"United Airlines is getting creative in its plans to maintain capacity as the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max enters its fifth month. The Chicago-based carrier said Tuesday it has signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 aircraft."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
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07-17-2019, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
"United Airlines is getting creative in its plans to maintain capacity as the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max enters its fifth month. The Chicago-based carrier said Tuesday it has signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 aircraft."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
Clearly, the good ole boy network is riding it out.
07-17-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
"United Airlines is getting creative in its plans to maintain capacity as the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max enters its fifth month. The Chicago-based carrier said Tuesday it has signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 aircraft."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
Honestly surprised the grounding is still in affect.. I would have thought the FAA would have caved to Boeing and SWA by now.
07-17-2019, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
I'm going with management arrogance... "The FAA wouldn't dare ground the a/c for any length of time given it affects SWA's growth plans.."
Honestly surprised the grounding is still in affect.. I would have thought the FAA would have caved to Boeing and SWA by now.
Honestly surprised the grounding is still in affect.. I would have thought the FAA would have caved to Boeing and SWA by now.
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07-17-2019, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sMFer
You sure do like our forums. Offer still stands. You're welcome on the Inter island jumpseat any day.
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I'd rather wait 20 minutes for the next HA flight
Ya'll take too long, or you're delayed 1-5hrs...either way I'll get there with HA guaranteed.
07-17-2019, 12:12 PM
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First rumor I’ve heard elsewhere as to the origin of UA’s used 700s: you! Ex AirTran birds specifically. Are any of them coming off lease?
I’m skeptical, but who knows. That could certainly explain how UA got so many in one batch. But, I’ve also heard that the first couple of birds are coming from an airline I’ve never heard of.
I’m skeptical, but who knows. That could certainly explain how UA got so many in one batch. But, I’ve also heard that the first couple of birds are coming from an airline I’ve never heard of.
07-17-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
And you continue to respond.. Much more fun than our page.
I'd rather wait 20 minutes for the next HA flight
Ya'll take too long, or you're delayed 1-5hrs...either way I'll get there with HA guaranteed.
I'd rather wait 20 minutes for the next HA flight
Ya'll take too long, or you're delayed 1-5hrs...either way I'll get there with HA guaranteed.
Locals I talked to were happy SWA was there. Not much nice to say about HA...to each his own though.
07-17-2019, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
And you continue to respond.. Much more fun than our page.
I'd rather wait 20 minutes for the next HA flight
Ya'll take too long, or you're delayed 1-5hrs...either way I'll get there with HA guaranteed.
I'd rather wait 20 minutes for the next HA flight
Ya'll take too long, or you're delayed 1-5hrs...either way I'll get there with HA guaranteed.
Just like the jumpseat, you're welcome on our forums anytime!
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07-17-2019, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
"United Airlines is getting creative in its plans to maintain capacity as the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max enters its fifth month. The Chicago-based carrier said Tuesday it has signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 aircraft."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/busin...nes/index.html
Interesting how UAL, who operates a wide variety of airframes, chooses to fill the gap created by the MAX delays with used 737-700s and SWA didn't. UAL likely had a variety of reasons, allocated training slots, parts, etc., but one of them could have been to deny its domestic rival, SWA, the opportunity to acquire the increasingly scarce -700s that represent the bulk of their fleet. I'd be curious to know why SWA elected to delay its hiring and upgrade instead of hedging its bets, securing these aircraft for their ambitious growth plans. SW is facing intense competition from all sides, especially the ever-expanding ULCCs rolling into their markets, I would've imagined it would have taken a more proactive approach. No one can accurately project the MAX's return to service. Given Boeing's handling of the debacle so far, is SW willing to continue its present course of hoping for the best?
LUV to be a fly on the Dallas boardroom wall when this topic comes up
Seriously, I think if GK decided more used -700s were the answer, they'd have more used -700s. We've acquired more than 80 of 'em in recent years (on top of the 40 fAT -700s), but that pipeline seemed to wind down sometime around late 2017ish. Hawaii was mostly where all the new capacity was going to go this year, and more -700s wouldn't really help that. It's pretty much Max's or nothing for us going forward.
Last edited by Smokey23; 07-17-2019 at 05:02 PM.
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