GK hints at layoffs in 2021. (Aug 8th CBS)
08-24-2020, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
So with DL announcing 1,941 furloughs, what comes next for us?
DL needs 9400 pilots next summer compared to 15k a year ago. A 38% difference.
DL needs 9400 pilots next summer compared to 15k a year ago. A 38% difference.
For the sake of you debating accurate numbers, here’s the deal. We never hit 15k. I think the closest was 14.7k. Also, the 9.4k is active pilots. The actual list will be around 10.5k, maybe a bit more. That puts it around 28% smaller. Right in the 20-40% window they’ve predicted for a while.
Lastly, this ain’t over and furloughs aren’t guaranteed yet.
08-26-2020, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
For the sake of you debating accurate numbers, here’s the deal. We never hit 15k. I think the closest was 14.7k. Also, the 9.4k is active pilots. The actual list will be around 10.5k, maybe a bit more. That puts it around 28% smaller. Right in the 20-40% window they’ve predicted for a while.
Lastly, this ain’t over and furloughs aren’t guaranteed yet.
Lastly, this ain’t over and furloughs aren’t guaranteed yet.
08-26-2020, 12:34 PM
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Anyone who thinks we will be back to normal in a year or even more are lying to themselves.
Covid will be like a 9/11 moment for this industry, it will look much different and much smaller. The question is what will happen?
My take is that the mega hub model will be what happens in the future. AA and DAL are both hanging on because of their mega hubs and the lack of one for UAL is why they are hurting so much.
Covid will be like a 9/11 moment for this industry, it will look much different and much smaller. The question is what will happen?
My take is that the mega hub model will be what happens in the future. AA and DAL are both hanging on because of their mega hubs and the lack of one for UAL is why they are hurting so much.
08-26-2020, 02:02 PM
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I think AA will declare bankruptcy. I also think WN’s point to point structure and minimal international stuff is a strong point. I still think they are trying to position themselves to capture market share by outlasting the big three as long as possible.
That being said, my football coach always cautioned that the football rolls funny ways. The play isn’t over until the whistle blows....
That being said, my football coach always cautioned that the football rolls funny ways. The play isn’t over until the whistle blows....
09-01-2020, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by theAiken
Anyone who thinks we will be back to normal in a year or even more are lying to themselves.
Covid will be like a 9/11 moment for this industry, it will look much different and much smaller. The question is what will happen?
My take is that the mega hub model will be what happens in the future. AA and DAL are both hanging on because of their mega hubs and the lack of one for UAL is why they are hurting so much.
Covid will be like a 9/11 moment for this industry, it will look much different and much smaller. The question is what will happen?
My take is that the mega hub model will be what happens in the future. AA and DAL are both hanging on because of their mega hubs and the lack of one for UAL is why they are hurting so much.
09-01-2020, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest
Help me understand your logic here...AA is probably in the worst shape, Delta and United in similar shape with Delta having a mega hub but United having hubs in the top 4 O&D markets in the nation. Are we (United) “hurting” the most because you have seen that our pilot furlough numbers are the highest? There is a reason for this and it has nothing to do with the actual health of the airline, our cash position, nor our hub layout. United has decided not to offer the kind of buyouts AA/SWA/DAL(we have not announced the complete retirement of a fleet for one). Do a little reading (start with Q2 earnings reports). No doubt it is ugly among the big three (like watching a 3 legged horse race), but my guess is all will finish the race and United will not be in last place. I agree with your first paragraph
09-03-2020, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
And 400 million profit in cargo with those international airplanes last quarter.
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09-03-2020, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
400 million in revenue, not profit. You’re still losing your ass on every pound flown.
learn to use the right terms. Makes a huge difference.
learn to use the right terms. Makes a huge difference.
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