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06-14-2021 | 05:42 AM
#151
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When there was no premium, pilots were whining that the company over hired resulting in not enough flying available.
Then Covid hits and thankfully the VSPers and ExTOers voluntarily take pay cuts to save the company.
Now, here we are......premium flows like wine, everyone can make big money, and what do we get....
......Pilots whining about extra flying being available.
Then Covid hits and thankfully the VSPers and ExTOers voluntarily take pay cuts to save the company.
Now, here we are......premium flows like wine, everyone can make big money, and what do we get....
......Pilots whining about extra flying being available.
I understand all that. I'm good with all the premium, except JA, which thankfully I haven't had. What I'm telling you is in the next year we simply cannot cover our schedule without more bodies. You seem to be inferring we can. Is that correct?
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06-14-2021 | 10:27 AM
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I understand all that. I'm good with all the premium, except JA, which thankfully I haven't had. What I'm telling you is in the next year we simply cannot cover our schedule without more bodies. You seem to be inferring we can. Is that correct?
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For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
06-14-2021 | 10:59 AM
#153
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Premium availability changes the equation on upgrades.
I live in base and drive to work. I don’t work holidays, or weekends unless premium. My line awards are in my top 20 choices at worst - usually within top 10. I get my vacation choices.
That’s an awful lot to give away when you can make up the money difference with premium. On the other hand, take away the premium, and upgrade to junior reserve captain becomes a little more attractive.
There is a reason why at most airlines, commuting to a high cost of living area and sitting reserves tends to yield the heavy bypass numbers.
I live in base and drive to work. I don’t work holidays, or weekends unless premium. My line awards are in my top 20 choices at worst - usually within top 10. I get my vacation choices.
That’s an awful lot to give away when you can make up the money difference with premium. On the other hand, take away the premium, and upgrade to junior reserve captain becomes a little more attractive.
There is a reason why at most airlines, commuting to a high cost of living area and sitting reserves tends to yield the heavy bypass numbers.
06-14-2021 | 11:52 AM
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That’s irrelevant.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
All pilots love to whine. I hope they do the check the box thing as well. There are certainly times I'd volunteer for that.
The situation going forward is not going to be what it was in the recent past. They did that to see where demand was and then shaped down. Going forward I don't see them shaping down near as much.
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06-14-2021 | 12:03 PM
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All pilots love to whine. I hope they do the check the box thing as well. There are certainly times I'd volunteer for that.
The situation going forward is not going to be what it was in the recent past. They did that to see where demand was and then shaped down. Going forward I don't see them shaping down near as much.
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The situation going forward is not going to be what it was in the recent past. They did that to see where demand was and then shaped down. Going forward I don't see them shaping down near as much.
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06-14-2021 | 12:05 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna;[url=tel:3249996
3249996[/url]]That’s irrelevant.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
06-14-2021 | 12:12 PM
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That’s irrelevant.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
For the past year, our future schedule has far outstripped our manpower.
The company would make 4,000 flights available even with 25% of the pilots out. They posted aggressive schedules, sold tickets, then cut flights and reaccomodated passengers 6 weeks out.
So what you are worried about is and has been irrelevant for some time, but is also besides the point.
My point is that it’s funny that this pilot group whines when there is no premium and then whines when there is premium.
I keep hearing about the ‘good old days’ when even junior folk could get premium.... what was it like when you were hired here?
I hope SWAPA pushes through the “check this box to volunteer for JA”. Might make for less whining.... but then again these people love to whine.
06-14-2021 | 12:17 PM
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I’m not so sure this travel boom will continue. Lots of people have been hurt economically by the government responses to covid, inflation is on the rise, airfares are pretty steep, housing costs up... There is a lot of pent up demand for travel now, but I’m just not sure it continues after economic reality comes crashing down. I wouldn’t bet that we’re on a long steady climb to new highs, rather that we”re going to run into peaks and valleys through the next several years.
No basis whatsoever for that, I’m just a state school history major. Just a feeling that the economic challenges of 2020 will not come without a cost to many.
No basis whatsoever for that, I’m just a state school history major. Just a feeling that the economic challenges of 2020 will not come without a cost to many.
06-14-2021 | 06:40 PM
#160
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Got any examples of this? It seems most everyone is on one side or the other.
As a 1221er that's been displaced, I'd rather have 2019 manning levels where there's a sliver of hope of someone picking up my trip in TTGA so I don't have to double commute across the country. Premium is great, but I'd rather drive to work given the choice.
As a 1221er that's been displaced, I'd rather have 2019 manning levels where there's a sliver of hope of someone picking up my trip in TTGA so I don't have to double commute across the country. Premium is great, but I'd rather drive to work given the choice.
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