Obviously the 2 classes in December will be for new hires. Will the hiring for 2022 start having classes in January or are they filling those with all the pilots that still have to be recalled prior to new hires?

Maybe something like the Company can only displace a certain percentage and they can only do it once a quarter….. but don’t self-restrict the pilots from bidding every month.

The hidden costs are the head shot. When you displace someone, you now have to potentially get them, and possibly a few others, ETOPS qual'd. I am willing to bet a paycheck that there is also a significant uptick in sick calls, especially for those displaced two or more time zones.

You also lose goodwill, which cannot be measured. It's like I told a captain I was flying with on a leg that I was supposed to get released from and go home but now was flying it (changed before I even showed for the trip), incurring an additional half a day away from home and a hotel: No worries, I am not emotional over it. I will get that day off and $100 back in the end.

You can burn the manning wick at both ends for a few months, but eventually folks get tired of playing. I know my GAS factor for picking up extra flying has almost completely deflated. If a trip touches the weekend, you are almost certainly going to get rerouted all over the system and earn a bunch of extra money, so why even bother picking up any more unless you are going for some personal record or remodeling your house? Most of the big "game players" aren't legal for the big money trips, and the rest of us aren't willing any more.

I open up my phone in the morning and see over 100 VPF alerts sitting there and just laugh. It's comical how we got into this situation. It's great if you want to make some extra dough, but it's ridiculous for any sort of QOL or quality product.

If it's any consolation, it's not just here. Our friend is a RN and her boss called her yesterday and begged her to come in. When she declined, she told her that she would make 2,000 for an extra 8 hour shift. I am not good at math, but it sounds like desperation to me.

It’s really quite simple… if you don’t mind moving, move to a Delta base, then a Untied base. The only reason to come here is if we have a domicile you want to live in, unless it’s Orlando. I’d work here over commuting to DL or UA.

Zap, I usually agree with your brand of mentality (only my 6th/7th airline though), but i think you're missing something. And I hope my posts so far have proven me not to be some Pollyanna. I think, in fact, that the company tried to do exactly that. Hence our horrible overstaffing the last few years. First came the max grounding then covid. But I actually think they were trying to do it that way before all the madness

You might be on to something there. Good call.

1500 new hires is 125 a month. I’m guessing there’ll be at a minimum…2 classes of new hires a month going forward.

they ran 3 classes a month in 2018, but that was 30 per class. So if they are going to run 120+ per month they need to bump something up.

Was that in the new training center?

The classes are allegedly 60 each.