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Old 09-21-2021 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They didn't "find" him, he volunteered for the duty by leaving a paper trail documenting how he snowed the regulators.

Kind of like the CVR... if something bad happens you're going to wish you hadn't said some of that stuff that you wouldn't have said in public.
By find I meant that he is the perfect scapegoat for the whole situation. Doesn't have too thick of ties to either SWA, FAA and/or Boeing so everyone involved can just let him take the heat. Hard to believe just one person involved in getting an airplane certified, but apparently so.

But what can we expect, our DOD just admitted via 4star(since when is the civilian controlled military required to do PR for the civilian regime?) general that we droned an aid worker and his family including 7children, noticeably absent from 4star news conference......anybody responsible, anyone even lose a day of pay, let alone their jobs? Our govt has 0% accountability anymore, and they wonder why no one believes in it's abilities.
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Old 09-21-2021 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
But what can we expect, our DOD just admitted via 4star(since when is the civilian controlled military required to do PR for the civilian regime?) general that we droned an aid worker and his family including 7children, noticeably absent from 4star news conference......anybody responsible, anyone even lose a day of pay, let alone their jobs?
Why should they? Stuff happens in war. There will be an investigation, too soon for any of that to play out.
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Old 09-22-2021 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
For being a sarcastic wise-ass with a co-worker? Using "cool" lingo while talking to the FAA? Lawyering up and pleading the 5th?

I know, I know... expecting pilots to be able to do that pilot ****** is racist.

Wanna hang someone, start much higher than Forkner.
I totally agree there are people way higher up than F that need to be prosecuted too, but he was not reluctant to go above and beyond to make sure nobody knew nothing about MCAS, and it would have been very clear to him that from a safety point they should be told. Hence time...
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Old 09-22-2021 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
By find I meant that he is the perfect scapegoat for the whole situation. Doesn't have too thick of ties to either SWA, FAA and/or Boeing so everyone involved can just let him take the heat. Hard to believe just one person involved in getting an airplane certified, but apparently so.
Well, it's hard to believe because it is not so. He is the perfect "scapegoat" because he was the only Boeing employee, that they found emails from, saying the stuff he did. But what we don't know is if the stuff he said was even true.

No one from the FAA has come forward saying "Yeah, he lied to us." Why is that? Even the DOJ report states "(ii) although two of Boeing’s 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots deceived the FAA AEG about MCAS by way of misleading statements, half-truths, and omissions, others in Boeing disclosed MCAS’s expanded operational scope to different FAA personnel who were responsible for determining whether the 737 MAX met U.S. federal airworthiness standards"

So who are the other "FAA personnel who were responsible for determining whether the 737 MAX met U.S. federal airworthiness standards" and why were they not talking to the AEG?

​​​​​​​The Senate committee report, if you can call it that, complains that "The documents received and the FAA employee interviews conducted produced
inconsistencies, contradictions, and in one case possible lack of candor." They also complained of the slow response from the FAA which allowed several employees to "depart" before being interviewed.

Because of the slow response to document requests, Chairman Wicker sent a letter in
December of 2019 to FAA Administrator Steve Dickson requesting that twenty-one FAA
employees be made available for interview by Committee staff. Over the twenty month
investigation, Committee staff were permitted to interview nine employees. Three of the
requested employees departed from the FAA after the request for interviews was made but were
not made available before their departure.
He is just the one left holding the bag, the bag he willingly took.

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Old 10-04-2021 | 07:58 AM
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guess his indictment got lost in the mail.
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Old 10-14-2021 | 04:36 PM
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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr...indicted-fraud

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, October 14, 2021

Former Boeing 737 MAX Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud

A federal grand jury in the Northern District of Texas returned an indictment today charging a former Chief Technical Pilot for Boeing with deceiving the Federal Aviation Administration’s Aircraft Evaluation Group in connection with their evaluation of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane, and scheming to defraud Boeing’s U.S. based airline customers to obtain tens of millions of dollars for Boeing.

According to court documents, Mark A. Forkner, 49, formerly of Washington State and currently of Keller, Texas, allegedly deceived the FAA AEG during the agency’s evaluation and certification of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane. As alleged in the indictment, Forkner provided the agency with materially false, inaccurate, and incomplete information about a new part of the flight controls for the Boeing 737 MAX called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS).
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Old 10-14-2021 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FA24
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr...indicted-fraud

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, October 14, 2021

Former Boeing 737 MAX Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud

A federal grand jury in the Northern District of Texas returned an indictment today charging a former Chief Technical Pilot for Boeing with deceiving the Federal Aviation Administration’s Aircraft Evaluation Group in connection with their evaluation of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane, and scheming to defraud Boeing’s U.S. based airline customers to obtain tens of millions of dollars for Boeing.

According to court documents, Mark A. Forkner, 49, formerly of Washington State and currently of Keller, Texas, allegedly deceived the FAA AEG during the agency’s evaluation and certification of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane. As alleged in the indictment, Forkner provided the agency with materially false, inaccurate, and incomplete information about a new part of the flight controls for the Boeing 737 MAX called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS).
Yikes for that dude
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Old 10-14-2021 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Texasbound
guess his indictment got lost in the mail.
apparently not
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Old 10-15-2021 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
apparently not
COVID Delayed.....
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Old 10-15-2021 | 11:20 AM
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Cant wait to see who they call to the stand from the FAA. That will be interesting.
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