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11-19-2021, 08:36 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by at6d
Probably have to brush up on the Challenger disaster regarding “drift,” ABCD, red yellow green circles and squares, and also ask why you don’t want to go to Flight Safety for double pay.
What would you call it when a corporation knows it can't cover the schedule it published without working people on their days off, and then does it anyway?
11-19-2021, 06:21 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by at6d
Probably have to brush up on the Challenger disaster regarding “drift,” ABCD, red yellow green circles and squares, and also ask why you don’t want to go to Flight Safety for double pay.
11-19-2021, 09:51 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Zard
The irony of SWA using Morton Thiokol as a case study is a bit much, even for me.
What would you call it when a corporation knows it can't cover the schedule it published without working people on their days off, and then does it anyway?
What would you call it when a corporation knows it can't cover the schedule it published without working people on their days off, and then does it anyway?
11-20-2021, 05:26 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
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I did find it funny that they were having a discussion about normalization of deviance in a building with signs everywhere that say 'wearing a mask is required' but where nobody was wearing a mask. 
11-20-2021, 05:33 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I did find it funny that they were having a discussion about normalization of deviance in a building with signs everywhere that say 'wearing a mask is required' but where nobody was wearing a mask.
. VNAV=that's just how the system works. Scheduling meltdowns=that's just a one time occurrence. Manuals suck=manuals and the FAA are complicated, you wouldn't understand despite having worked at multiple airlines where manuals didn't suck. Unable to be on time=Continue to let ground ops take care of it. Tech debt=swa is unique so we can't use programs that every other airline uses. 1980s contract language=the language we've had in there hasn't hurt us yet, TFP is unique and different because we're swa!The list goes on and on, but I agree with the company that none of those things I mentioned are nearly as dangerous as us saying "nines and twos". (/sarcasm)
11-20-2021, 05:51 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
this company's motto should be "normalization of drift" (they even had to out-do nasa and find a better term 🙄. VNAV=that's just how the system works. Scheduling meltdowns=that's just a one time occurrence. Manuals suck=manuals and the FAA are complicated, you wouldn't understand despite having worked at multiple airlines where manuals didn't suck. Unable to be on time=Continue to let ground ops take care of it. Tech debt=swa is unique so we can't use programs that every other airline uses. 1980s contract language=the language we've had in there hasn't hurt us yet, TFP is unique and different because we're swa!
The list goes on and on, but I agree with the company that none of those things I mentioned are nearly as dangerous as us saying "nines and twos". (/sarcasm)
. VNAV=that's just how the system works. Scheduling meltdowns=that's just a one time occurrence. Manuals suck=manuals and the FAA are complicated, you wouldn't understand despite having worked at multiple airlines where manuals didn't suck. Unable to be on time=Continue to let ground ops take care of it. Tech debt=swa is unique so we can't use programs that every other airline uses. 1980s contract language=the language we've had in there hasn't hurt us yet, TFP is unique and different because we're swa!The list goes on and on, but I agree with the company that none of those things I mentioned are nearly as dangerous as us saying "nines and twos". (/sarcasm)
11-20-2021, 08:39 AM
#38
Furloughed Again?!
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Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by Zard
You forgot all the airplanes we've crashed because the pilot flying said speed instead of airspeed coming through 1000'
why do you guys hate safety?
why do you guys hate safety?
I was corrected because before I started reading a checklist, I would state the name of the checklist I was about to begin reading.
So if the Captain said "before start originating checklist" I would repeat, "Before start originating checklist... logbook.."
That was apparently worth a debrief after we were done.
Naturally, being a believer in safety I thanked him for correcting me and said I'll work to correct it.
11-20-2021, 08:44 AM
#39
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I hope the Air Force F-15 Kernal that designed this year's training steps on a Lego.
What a waste of 3 precious days. They have the opportunity once a year to bring us in and really make a difference and they wasted it on discussing proper call out verbiage and north face jackets.
And yeah, the company who, by all accounts, is perfectly imitating Morton Thiakol lecturing us?! That's pretty rich.
What a waste of 3 precious days. They have the opportunity once a year to bring us in and really make a difference and they wasted it on discussing proper call out verbiage and north face jackets.
And yeah, the company who, by all accounts, is perfectly imitating Morton Thiakol lecturing us?! That's pretty rich.
