Someone NEEDS to be fired
#11
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
This was not an operational error as much as a strategic error. The operation worked exactly as it was intended, in 1998. The strategic error was caused by GK and the BOD not doing their job and making sure the company had the tools needed to work in todays environment. GK and BOD treated this place like a piggy bank, with the stock buybacks and not investing in the operation for decades. It’s time they realize it was not their piggy bank to rob. The entire BOD needs to be let go. You start with GK and move down the line. Bob is a puppet, has always been a puppet (though on CNBC he actually did better than I expected). Anyway Bob goes in next 12 months. Andrew keeps his job as I feel he was a network guy before being moved up into the C suite. Anyone tied to GK needs to be shown the door. CK needs to be shown the door…why cause I am vindictive, that’s why.
On a side note today SWAPA should have piled it on them. A WSJ full page talking about the loss and the shareholder suit ongoing. Just hammer them on the financials….it’s time to break some eggs SWAPA.
On a side note today SWAPA should have piled it on them. A WSJ full page talking about the loss and the shareholder suit ongoing. Just hammer them on the financials….it’s time to break some eggs SWAPA.
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This was not an operational error as much as a strategic error. The operation worked exactly as it was intended, in 1998. The strategic error was caused by GK and the BOD not doing their job and making sure the company had the tools needed to work in todays environment. GK and BOD treated this place like a piggy bank, with the stock buybacks and not investing in the operation for decades. It’s time they realize it was not their piggy bank to rob. The entire BOD needs to be let go. You start with GK and move down the line. Bob is a puppet, has always been a puppet (though on CNBC he actually did better than I expected). Anyway Bob goes in next 12 months. Andrew keeps his job as I feel he was a network guy before being moved up into the C suite. Anyone tied to GK needs to be shown the door. CK needs to be shown the door…why cause I am vindictive, that’s why.
On a side note today SWAPA should have piled it on them. A WSJ full page talking about the loss and the shareholder suit ongoing. Just hammer them on the financials….it’s time to break some eggs SWAPA.
On a side note today SWAPA should have piled it on them. A WSJ full page talking about the loss and the shareholder suit ongoing. Just hammer them on the financials….it’s time to break some eggs SWAPA.
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Bob and Andrew ain't going anywhere. The stock is up almost 9% since the meltdown and SWA just cut a check for 400 million in dividend's to share holders. They got beat up pretty bad yesterday through interviews and analysts CC. Just to refresh some memories here when GK became CEO, guess who was Chairman? This crap goes all the way back to Herb. Pure and simple. GK philosophies on airline operations have never been is thing. Parker, Kelly and now Jordan all were mentored under Herb. So you can guess what concerns them is not that far from what Herb instilled in them decades ago.
Unbelievable
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Did anyone see the CNBC interview with Phil LeBeau and Jim Cramer?? Bob was CHOPPED DOWN! Couldn't keep his story straight at the end. Said Crew Scheduling software worked as intended. It just couldn't keep up with the continued weather induced changes so we have a GE software fix to correct this! What?
Unbelievable
Unbelievable
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I still think blaming the software for the meltdown is really IMO just a part of it. Other airlines have the same software(skysolver) and they did not have an epic meltdown as SWA did. All of their processes on how they cancel flights is a bigger issue from the SOD all the way down. Many dominos had to fall before Skysolver was reassigning crew members. One thing for sure, SWA needs more domiciles. As complex as the network is, the amount of domiciles is inadequate for running daily ops when severe IROPS happen. Hub and spoke is easy to reset but P2P is a whole other animal all together. Even SWAPA's SRC believes that would help. Ground ops for sure is a mess here and will continue to be under leadership. Their are so many tasks that they do that really don't benefit the airline at all. Leadership allows them to run the place.
Southwest holiday crisis reveals a clubby world of stagnant airline execs - Critics say company's 'founder-based culture' isn't nimble enough to handle new challenges
The operational chaos that engulfed Southwest Airlines Co. over the busy holiday period was a crisis decades in the making.
In the aftermath of a meltdown that led to 16,700 flight cancellations and may cost the airline more than $800 million, blame has fallen on an outmoded crew scheduling system and an unusual point-to-point route network. Southwest was overwhelmed and unable to adapt as a severe storm swept the U.S.
But behind those specific issues is an insular management team that critics say lacks the imagination and technology expertise to help avoid such crises. While the bootstrap culture instilled by co-founder Herb Kelleher turned Southwest into one of the nation's largest carriers, the size of the company now demands new ways of thinking and investment in innovation.
"It makes you wonder if there isn't sort of a correlation or cause and effect here, where you've got a fairly entrenched, stagnant board, a grow-your-own leadership team since it was a very small, scrappy airline," said Keith Meyer, global leader of the CEO and board practice at executive search firm Allegis Partners. "A founder-based culture can only take it so far."
Southwest is full of lifers. Bob Jordan, who took over as chief executive officer in February, has been with the airline 34 years. The chief financial officer and communications chief have each worked there 30 years, while the chief commercial and chief legal officers have been around at least 20. The closest to a newbie among Southwest's top management might be Chief Operating Officer Andrew Watterson, who joined a decade ago from Hawaiian Airlines.
Jordan doesn't see it as a problem.
"We've always been proud of the fact we've developed leaders here and that we have folks with so much tenure," he said. "They have a very deep airline knowledge, functional knowledge and very deep relationship that serves you well in normal times and when you get into an incident like this."
Southwest isn't alone in recruiting from within. American Airlines Group Inc.'s top leadership had been together since the mid-1990s, first at America West Airlines, then US Airways before a merger with American. The group first began to fracture when Scott Kirby moved to United Airlines Holdings Inc. in 2016 and later became CEO there.
"The aviation industry more broadly has been a bit of a laggard experimenting with executives from outside, let alone their boards," said Jason Hanold, CEO of executive search firm Hanold Associates.
But Southwest is in a unique position, with the challenges of a major carrier and the mindset of a small one.
The airline, which began flying between a handful of cities within Texas in 1971, has grown into a behemoth that has carried more domestic passengers than any other airline in recent years. That expansion has added complexity to its keep-it-simple business model, and resulting cost pressures mean it often can't offer the cheapest fares.
Southwest's focus on stretching every dollar has also made it more conservative than other carriers in a highly regulated, safety focused industry that rewards consistency, said Samuel Engel, senior vice president for innovation at ICF, and former head of the consultant's aviation group. It leans more on insiders because of "the continued belief that Southwest is different."
The carrier has a long-standing reputation of being slow to adopt new technology, and spent years implementing a new reservation system and updating its maintenance operations. It's now spending $2 billion to improve a balky Wi-Fi system, add power ports at seats and install larger overhead bins.
"Southwest is the largest domestic airline in the U.S. and it should start behaving that way," Helane Becker, an analyst with Cowen Inc., said in a research note.
The operational chaos that engulfed Southwest Airlines Co. over the busy holiday period was a crisis decades in the making.
In the aftermath of a meltdown that led to 16,700 flight cancellations and may cost the airline more than $800 million, blame has fallen on an outmoded crew scheduling system and an unusual point-to-point route network. Southwest was overwhelmed and unable to adapt as a severe storm swept the U.S.
But behind those specific issues is an insular management team that critics say lacks the imagination and technology expertise to help avoid such crises. While the bootstrap culture instilled by co-founder Herb Kelleher turned Southwest into one of the nation's largest carriers, the size of the company now demands new ways of thinking and investment in innovation.
"It makes you wonder if there isn't sort of a correlation or cause and effect here, where you've got a fairly entrenched, stagnant board, a grow-your-own leadership team since it was a very small, scrappy airline," said Keith Meyer, global leader of the CEO and board practice at executive search firm Allegis Partners. "A founder-based culture can only take it so far."
Southwest is full of lifers. Bob Jordan, who took over as chief executive officer in February, has been with the airline 34 years. The chief financial officer and communications chief have each worked there 30 years, while the chief commercial and chief legal officers have been around at least 20. The closest to a newbie among Southwest's top management might be Chief Operating Officer Andrew Watterson, who joined a decade ago from Hawaiian Airlines.
Jordan doesn't see it as a problem.
"We've always been proud of the fact we've developed leaders here and that we have folks with so much tenure," he said. "They have a very deep airline knowledge, functional knowledge and very deep relationship that serves you well in normal times and when you get into an incident like this."
Southwest isn't alone in recruiting from within. American Airlines Group Inc.'s top leadership had been together since the mid-1990s, first at America West Airlines, then US Airways before a merger with American. The group first began to fracture when Scott Kirby moved to United Airlines Holdings Inc. in 2016 and later became CEO there.
"The aviation industry more broadly has been a bit of a laggard experimenting with executives from outside, let alone their boards," said Jason Hanold, CEO of executive search firm Hanold Associates.
But Southwest is in a unique position, with the challenges of a major carrier and the mindset of a small one.
The airline, which began flying between a handful of cities within Texas in 1971, has grown into a behemoth that has carried more domestic passengers than any other airline in recent years. That expansion has added complexity to its keep-it-simple business model, and resulting cost pressures mean it often can't offer the cheapest fares.
Southwest's focus on stretching every dollar has also made it more conservative than other carriers in a highly regulated, safety focused industry that rewards consistency, said Samuel Engel, senior vice president for innovation at ICF, and former head of the consultant's aviation group. It leans more on insiders because of "the continued belief that Southwest is different."
The carrier has a long-standing reputation of being slow to adopt new technology, and spent years implementing a new reservation system and updating its maintenance operations. It's now spending $2 billion to improve a balky Wi-Fi system, add power ports at seats and install larger overhead bins.
"Southwest is the largest domestic airline in the U.S. and it should start behaving that way," Helane Becker, an analyst with Cowen Inc., said in a research note.
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I posted the article below on the "Good ol' folksy Texas airline and the 2020's thread," but IMO, having been around here awhile, it comes as close as anything I've read to nailing exactly what is wrong with SWA, circa 2023. From my view, SWA has always been the doddering Luddite of airlines, preferring to stick with slide rules and bungee cords when there's artificial intelligence and WiFi. It finally bit them in a big way a few weeks ago but it has been a gathering storm for years.
Hell even Spirit haw printers and they are an ULCC. Most of the regionals are using digital releases.
That new power plug is priceless. That's the best they could come up with? I have outlets in my house that can do more and look 1000 times better lol.
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
The funny thing is not so much that we still use ATIS sheets. What’s truly funny is to watch half the people I fly with not use the printer when we have one. Like……WTF?!
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