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04-30-2023 | 04:54 PM

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That's kinda what I was getting at. They're the flight engineer of the ground ops department -- a relic of a bygone era that could have been replaced with computers years ago. I agree with you -- combine the position with CSA, with an added bonus that we'd (hopefully) no longer be waiting for our ops agent to park the jetway. Any agent should be able to meet any arriving airplane to get the turn started. This would have the added bonus of having more CSAs available to help our customers during our monthly meltdowns...

Not until Prospect gets their people off their buttz and actually show up to wheel the chairs. I see more pilots doing it than I do people who are employed and paid to do it. The Ops Agents are the only ones who seem to have the ability to call them.

04-30-2023 | 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tm602

There won’t be motivation to pressure Prospect and others to do their job if crew members keep covering for them.

04-30-2023 | 07:38 PM

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There won’t be motivation to pressure Prospect and others to do their job if crew members keep covering for them.

correct. I’m not a chair pusher.

05-01-2023 | 01:31 AM

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correct. I’m not a chair pusher.

Yesterday I had a chair pusher actually tell me as I was stepping off the airplane to talk to the agent, "you gotta push the chair, cause I pregnant." My jaw hit the floor.

05-01-2023 | 02:04 AM

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correct. I’m not a chair pusher.

Neither am I nor have I ever been for many, many reasons.

05-01-2023 | 04:25 AM

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Yesterday I had a chair pusher actually tell me as I was stepping off the airplane to talk to the agent, "you gotta push the chair, cause I pregnant." My jaw hit the floor.

Yikes. I think I would be having a chat with that ops agent and then giving SWAPA a call. Listen if people want to occasionally help push a chair, I don't have some fundamental issue with it, but to it become an expected part of our job is another thing altogether. I am not a pusher either anymore because I simply see way to many potential downsides to upsides and like many things with this operation, if we keep "fixing" the problem, they will never change.

05-01-2023 | 04:47 AM

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correct. I’m not a chair pusher.

A senior FA told me I needed to help with wheelchairs to get out on time. I asked how long they had been in contract negotiations. When she told me four years I said “there ya go” and went back into the cockpit.

05-01-2023 | 05:46 AM

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correct. I’m not a chair pusher.

Right. I never received company-provided training in the operation of wheelchairs, and I have a real distinct feeling they wouldn't have my back legally if someone got hurt while I was trying to "help out."

05-01-2023 | 06:31 AM

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I am not advocating pushing chairs, especially right now, but this is not accurate. Pushing wheelchairs is in the FOM and when asked about it in q and a sessions, the answer has always been that they will cover you.

My default answer is that no, I don't do it. However, it is highly situationally dependent. I am not going to let somebody's 90 year old grandma sit at the bottom of a hot jet bridge.

05-01-2023 | 07:28 AM

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...when asked about it in q and a sessions, the answer has always been that they will cover you.

That's interesting because when it came up at CQT a couple of years ago, we got a very wishy-washy word salad from a higher-up in Dallas on the day-one brief. That led to a good discussion in class afterwards and a consensus that we'd be the ones lawyering up in the off chance something went really wrong. That totally changed my perspective on the whole chair-pushing thing.