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Old 06-29-2023 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
They told us in Aug that we were supposed to be AQP a couple years ago but got an extension due to Covid. Apparently we have a drop dead date at the end of the year or sometime early ‘24 to be AQP according to one of the senior instructors.
funny how there’s covid extensions for everything at this company except being a front line employee.

if we could go full tilt they could’ve also.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 03:55 PM
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funny how there’s covid extensions for everything at this company except being a front line employee.

if we could go full tilt they could’ve also.
Thankfully at some point the FAA will force the issue. They want everyone AQP sooner rather than later.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Thankfully at some point the FAA will force the issue. They want everyone AQP sooner rather than later.
it's already later. My first AQP initial was in 2000. I suspect we are the last US airline to complete the transition.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
This ph*****g place, I swear 🙄. I just sat in a Republic Airways E-175 jumpseat. The amount of tech they had at their disposal was just embarrassing (for SWA) in comparison.
I worked there and flew that plane 4 yrs before coming here. Legacies are all way behind on tech except for the A220….which wasn’t even on the radar of the legacies until Bombardier screwed the pooch and sold the controlling interest in the plane to Airbus.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I worked there and flew that plane 4 yrs before coming here. Legacies are all way behind on tech except for the A220….which wasn’t even on the radar of the legacies until Bombardier screwed the pooch and sold the controlling interest in the plane to Airbus.
Corporate jets have all the bells and whistles.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
This ph*****g place, I swear 🙄. I just sat in a Republic Airways E-175 jumpseat. The amount of tech they had at their disposal was just embarrassing (for SWA) in comparison.
The 175 is a great plane all around. Sucks that I started on that plane and have slowly devolved into the 737 lol. Oh well
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Old 06-30-2023 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I worked there and flew that plane 4 yrs before coming here. Legacies are all way behind on tech except for the A220….which wasn’t even on the radar of the legacies until Bombardier screwed the pooch and sold the controlling interest in the plane to Airbus.
Bombardier was trying to persuade a North American customer for over budget, overdue 220 plane. Finally get Delta to order 100 at (arguably a loss) but Boeing (despite not even having a competing product) throws a hissy fit to the WTO and complains that the Cannuck govt (in full socialist mode wanting to preserve manufacturing jobs in Canada) had loaned/given Bombardier something like $2B in subsidies to develop the clean sheet 220.

WTO (with US backing) decides it's appropriate to levy 300% duty on any imported 220.

Bombardier left with no option but to sell 51% to Airbus who in turn expand their Alabama manufacturing plant to produce planes for North American markets to avoid duties.

Them is the facts, so hard to see how Bombardier "screwed the pooch" except to try and design a clean sheet airplane to compete with the big boys in the small B737 and A319 sized market.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 09:46 AM
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The 175 is a great plane all around. Sucks that I started on that plane and have slowly devolved into the 737 lol. Oh well
Was just watching on Airline Disasters how Helios 737 went unpressurized because mx left the pressure controller in MAN and neither pilot caught it on preflight. Then when they started climbing depressurized, apparently their 737s alarm for cabin altitude above 10K was the same as takeoff config alarm, so they spent the next few thousand feet troubleshooting why they were getting a takeoff config alarm. All the time becoming hypoxic and instead of descending or even leveling off, they continued climbing trying to fix a whole bunch of unbroken stuff. Then apparently their only sign the cabin 02masks had fallen was a master caution which they associated with a fault in instrument cooling. By then I'm sure hypoxia had fully set in. Finally the 737 flys to Athens, enters holding until it runs out of fuel and crashes in the hills outside Athens unpressurized the whole time.

This was in 2005 and just an EICAS system would have obviously saved this whole 737 full of pax. Obviously Boeing knew how to build EICAS since it was in the 757 from the late 70's.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
….apparently their 737s alarm for cabin altitude above 10K was the same as takeoff config alarm, so they spent the next few thousand feet troubleshooting why they were getting a takeoff config alarm.
Guess what other 737 operators have the same warning horn for takeoff config and cabin altitude?
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Old 06-30-2023 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
Was just watching on Airline Disasters how Helios 737 went unpressurized because mx left the pressure controller in MAN and neither pilot caught it on preflight. Then when they started climbing depressurized, apparently their 737s alarm for cabin altitude above 10K was the same as takeoff config alarm, so they spent the next few thousand feet troubleshooting why they were getting a takeoff config alarm. All the time becoming hypoxic and instead of descending or even leveling off, they continued climbing trying to fix a whole bunch of unbroken stuff. Then apparently their only sign the cabin 02masks had fallen was a master caution which they associated with a fault in instrument cooling. By then I'm sure hypoxia had fully set in. Finally the 737 flys to Athens, enters holding until it runs out of fuel and crashes in the hills outside Athens unpressurized the whole time.

This was in 2005 and just an EICAS system would have obviously saved this whole 737 full of pax. Obviously Boeing knew how to build EICAS since it was in the 757 from the late 70's.
crazy that both were hypoxic and out of it by 14k? Obviously it happened but dang youd think at 14k when the master caution happened they would have the wherewithal.
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