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Old 07-16-2023 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
FWIW, after 27+ years, even I've been exploring options outside of SW after the last meltdown. I've got a few in the back pocket, but I really want to see what the NC can pull out of their hat.

I am truly concerned that this company won't survive until I retire.
It would be the ultimate 🖕🏼 to SWA for a senior captain to take his retro check and the day it hits his bank account submit this resignation. Boy, to be a fly on the wall!

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Old 07-16-2023 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Delta has been hiring since 2014 and they've been gunning for the younger crowd....
that is what AA did in the early 90's. "Average age was 28" or whatever Kit Darby's newsletter said.

all those dudes are soon to be gone. Hence AA huge retirements
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Old 07-16-2023 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
It would be the ultimate 🖕🏼 to SWA for a senior captain to take his retro check and the day it hits his bank account submit this resignation. Boy, to be a fly on the wall!

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Old 07-16-2023 | 05:27 PM
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I am a pretty pragmatic dude, and I can't find the logic in anyone who leaves any major airline with over 5 years seniority with the exception of maybe commuting vs not. I get the frustration. My patience is running super thin as well. I live in the real world, though, and my family and our security comes first. I keep hearing a lot of "this place is not going to exist in 10 years" and I have to wonder what you are smoking. It is a huge, profitable company with tons of money in the bank and growth plans ahead. Yes, it is currently being run by complete morons, but even they can't screw this up.
The contract will come, and it's gonna be good. If you have your sights set on leaving for the right reasons, then knock yourself out. Don't leave because you are angry or impatient, though. We can all play the what if game until the end of our careers. Don't do it to your own detriment.
I am willing to bet that once the torches and pitchforks get put away for the next 4 or 5 years that the sun will shine again.
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Old 07-16-2023 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I am willing to bet that once the torches and pitchforks get put away for the next 4 or 5 years that the sun will shine again.
I thought the same after the current contract was ratified. Then Southwest decided not to pay anyone their contractual retirement contributions for several months.

Somebody tell me how much money SWAPA contract Admin has recovered after bad pay audits and outright thievery from the company over the last 6 years?
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Old 07-16-2023 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by poopooplatter
My thanks to all for the thoughts and input. Perhaps they won’t call and I will have no decision to make. Until I do, I stand with my SWAPA brethren. Contrary to palm’s post above I have over 22 years in this industry. Not a spring chicken. The sentiment seems to be “stay the course”. The excel spreadsheet might bear that out. At least the Big 3 don’t pretend to be something they aren’t. Will they furlough in a heartbeat? Yep. But at least we were all honest with each other from the beginning. I’ve had dinner with HK, a rare treat. Yep, maybe I’m a little sad.

Let’s see what the wind blows in.

Poopoo still out.
Good luck with your decision...if you have to make one. Normally I would say stay where you are, you're crazy to leave, this too shall pass, etc., but it sounds like you are done. Maybe it is an emotional decision, but life isn't always about the pure numbers. If you're unhappy where you work and you'll be happier some place else even if you might end up making a bit less then maybe it's worth it.

SWA is a great company and I'm not trying to dog it at all, but at a legacy you just have so many more options that even with less overall seniority you can still find your own niche. The only that that would really worry me is furlough from a legacy.
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Old 07-16-2023 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
Don't tempt me!
You’re in my MCO pre-retirement seat. Move along! (Just kidding……can’t stand the summers down there).

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Old 07-16-2023 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I am a pretty pragmatic dude, and I can't find the logic in anyone who leaves any major airline with over 5 years seniority with the exception of maybe commuting vs not. I get the frustration. My patience is running super thin as well. I live in the real world, though, and my family and our security comes first. I keep hearing a lot of "this place is not going to exist in 10 years" and I have to wonder what you are smoking. It is a huge, profitable company with tons of money in the bank and growth plans ahead. Yes, it is currently being run by complete morons, but even they can't screw this up.
The contract will come, and it's gonna be good. If you have your sights set on leaving for the right reasons, then knock yourself out. Don't leave because you are angry or impatient, though. We can all play the what if game until the end of our careers. Don't do it to your own detriment.
I am willing to bet that once the torches and pitchforks get put away for the next 4 or 5 years that the sun will shine again.
Thank you for posting that. I needed that face slap and everything you posted has merit. That said, tomorrow I’ll be back to self-loathing in the up and down SWA grind on my 17th year in the Guppy torture cham…….cockpit with 16 (18?) more to go. I’M SOOOOOO BORED AND OVER IT!

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Old 07-16-2023 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Thank you for posting that. I needed that face slap and everything you posted has merit. That said, tomorrow I’ll be back to self-loathing in the up and down SWA grind on my 17th year in the Guppy torture cham…….cockpit with 16 (18?) more to go. I’M SOOOOOO BORED AND OVER IT!

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Same here. I sat watching ground ops in two different stations completely screw up two highly padded turns today due to nothing but straight buffoonery. I just sat munching my pistachios and throwing the shells on the cockpit floor like a good AM flyer. This place makes money despite itself. 5 and 20 are all that matter to me and I want those two days to be as amazing as possible for the rest of my career. The rest is noise.
This job is a lot of long, frustrating days and repetition. I try to manage that by giving the least amount of fu*ks as possible and taking as much time off as my sick bank and vacation weeks will allow to recharge my batteries. My sick bank will never get me a management job and I am perfectly ok with that.
I have been flying with a lot of new guys and their unbridled SkyWest optimism is actually like chicken soup for the grumpy captain soul. I get a laugh out of some of it, but it's a good balance to the negativity that literally lurks around every corner here.
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Old 07-16-2023 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Same here. I sat watching ground ops in two different stations completely screw up two highly padded turns today due to nothing but straight buffoonery. I just sat munching my pistachios and throwing the shells on the cockpit floor like a good AM flyer. This place makes money despite itself. 5 and 20 are all that matter to me and I want those two days to be as amazing as possible for the rest of my career. The rest is noise.
This job is a lot of long, frustrating days and repetition. I try to manage that by giving the least amount of fu*ks as possible and taking as much time off as my sick bank and vacation weeks will allow to recharge my batteries. My sick bank will never get me a management job and I am perfectly ok with that.
I have been flying with a lot of new guys and their unbridled SkyWest optimism is actually like chicken soup for the grumpy captain soul. I get a laugh out of some of it, but it's a good balance to the negativity that literally lurks around every corner here.
Jesus. Why’d you have to upgrade because we’re totally on the same page as far as this job/company are concerned. Imagine how little fu*ks we could have given together? It would have been epic!

I get so seriously frustrated with the peeps I fly with when they get all worked up at the dysfunction of the operation or especially WX. Thanks to a lot of our work rules, CHAOS IS CASH BABY! Since they’re not going to fix the operation, we just have to ensure that their dysfunction equates to even more $ and/or time off for us.

Between Report Time and Release Time let’s ensure maximum $ signs, mmmmmmmkay?

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