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Old 10-15-2023 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jetset
I wonder if SWAPA would entertain a resolution to do this. We would be the first if they did. Great idea though!
Even if we did, someone at the company would likely leak the rates. They know what motivates this pilot group.
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Old 10-15-2023 | 02:24 PM
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Get ready for the company to leak a crap retro payout around the holidays. They are counting on us to just see dollar signs and the idea of paying off Christmas early. It’s coming.
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Old 10-15-2023 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stitches
Get ready for the company to leak a crap retro payout around the holidays. They are counting on us to just see dollar signs and the idea of paying off Christmas early. It’s coming.
They can leak what ever they want. SWAPA knows it’s 100% full retro or it’s DOA…

Ratification Bonus Letter of Agreement(RB LOA)
SWA due to counter. Our RB LOA applies to all current Pilots and those who have retired since the amendable date. SWAPA understands that we cannot allow any bonus less than full retro because we cannot reward management’s delay tactics.
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Old 10-15-2023 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenacvols
They can leak what ever they want. SWAPA knows it’s 100% full retro or it’s DOA…

Ratification Bonus Letter of Agreement(RB LOA)
SWA due to counter. Our RB LOA applies to all current Pilots and those who have retired since the amendable date. SWAPA understands that we cannot allow any bonus less than full retro because we cannot reward management’s delay tactics.
ABSOLUTELY!! I don’t care how good the rest of the contract is. Those bastards are not going to get rewarded for playing games the last 3+ years. Full retro or you can shove it straight up your a$$ sideways.

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Old 10-15-2023 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stitches
Get ready for the company to leak a crap retro payout around the holidays. They are counting on us to just see dollar signs and the idea of paying off Christmas early. It’s coming.
Nah. You’re not including the roadshow and voting period into your calculations. In your scenario retro wouldn’t be paid out until well into the first quarter.

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Old 10-15-2023 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Nah. You’re not including the roadshow and voting period into your calculations. In your scenario retro wouldn’t be paid out until well into the first quarter.

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Or even the first part of Q2. One great thing about the AIP to contract period is that it is looooong. You will be amazed what questions won't get asked until the 11th hour, especially when there are hidden gems in there.
And yes. Retro is a third rail for this pilot group and everyone knows it. It is either paid in full or we will be going for round 2.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Or even the first part of Q2. One great thing about the AIP to contract period is that it is looooong. You will be amazed what questions won't get asked until the 11th hour, especially when there are hidden gems in there.
And yes. Retro is a third rail for this pilot group and everyone knows it. It is either paid in full or we will be going for round 2.
NC said as sections are AIP’d, they’re writing the language so when they announce we have a AIP….the TA will already be writtten and ready to be voted on. Still said they’re not in a rush and are going to be doing podcasts, road shows, etc but we could theoretically have a vote end 30 days after it’s announced.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
NC said as sections are AIP’d, they’re writing the language so when they announce we have a AIP….the TA will already be writtten and ready to be voted on. Still said they’re not in a rush and are going to be doing podcasts, road shows, etc but we could theoretically have a vote end 30 days after it’s announced.
good, because…

…my vote is No.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
NC said as sections are AIP’d, they’re writing the language so when they announce we have a AIP….the TA will already be writtten and ready to be voted on. Still said they’re not in a rush and are going to be doing podcasts, road shows, etc but we could theoretically have a vote end 30 days after it’s announced.
I think that would be a huge mistake. The road show process and "commenting period" is crucial to unearthing the little bits and pieces hidden in there. I think TA1 would have passed last go if there would have been an accelerated process.
Look at little things and language that has gotten past the NC and members:
irregular ops - how is this still a thing?
open time giveaway rule that we did to ourselves that has become a restrictive mess that went way beyond its original intent and eventually had to go to arbitration
sick time accumulation on premium trips...has personally cost me tens of thousands of dollars.

I could go on and on. 3 months is about the right amount of time between a finished TA and a ratified deal.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 10:23 AM
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I will need to see a list our current hotels that will be changed because they do not meet the new standards.
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