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Old 10-16-2023 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 6packSteamJedi
It’s just the hotels are run down junk. Here are a couple San bayside, Burbank. Yes I know the locations are good. The quality is garbage and filled with cruise ship people in San and BUR is junk. IMO any room with one of those window AC units is a complete garbage pile. If someone comes back with “lactation can’t be beat” ok I get it, then let’s move a block over to a better property please.
You’re getting lactation on your overnight? LAS? RNO?
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Old 10-16-2023 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
You’re getting lactation on your overnight? LAS? RNO?
Usually you have to pay extra for that!
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Old 10-16-2023 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
You’re getting lactation on your overnight? LAS? RNO?
Must be a PM thing...
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Old 10-16-2023 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 6packSteamJedi
It’s just the hotels are run down junk. Here are a couple San bayside, Burbank. Yes I know the locations are good. The quality is garbage and filled with cruise ship people in San and BUR is junk. IMO any room with one of those window AC units is a complete garbage pile. If someone comes back with “location can’t be beat” ok I get it, then let’s move a block over to a better property please.
I don’t think they will be better with the language coming . Some locations might change but hotel quality won’t be changing. Plus we will be staying with the FAs. I am 100% wanting separate hotels.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
You’re getting lactation on your overnight? LAS? RNO?
WN pilots have all the fun.
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Old 10-16-2023 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 6packSteamJedi
It’s just the hotels are run down junk. Here are a couple San bayside, Burbank. Yes I know the locations are good. The quality is garbage and filled with cruise ship people in San and BUR is junk. IMO any room with one of those window AC units is a complete garbage pile. If someone comes back with “location can’t be beat” ok I get it, then let’s move a block over to a better property please.
100% agree. That’s actually a really good, simple language standard: if it has a window/wall mounted AC it’s unacceptable.

I’m way too old for these stained-carpet, moldy-grout, plastic-counter, hollow-door motel (or Doubletree) standards. Why are we willing to accept this right now?
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Old 10-16-2023 | 08:48 PM
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I have noticed a lot of our hotels getting progressively worse. We have some very nice hotels and I always look at those trips more closely and pickup based on it. We also have lots of dumps. Lesser quality than I saw regularly at skywest. It makes me feel like I am not a professional staying at these crappy $100 a night hotels.

If the C suite or company negotiating committee wouldn't stay there, then we shouldn't have to.
I am assuming a lot of these crappy hotels could change if it was just the pilots staying. Add in all of the FAs and its a lot more expensive and why we don't get to stay at nicer hotels. We need to be separated from them.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Champeen07
If the C suite or company negotiating committee wouldn't stay there, then we shouldn't have to.
When I flew for a big discount retailer, the company had a strict limit on hotel costs. $100 per night unless at the primary airport under class B airspace, then $130 per night. Everybody was subject to those limits from pilots, to merchandisers, to lawyers, to (theoretically) the CEO.

I was curious if SWA had similar policies, so I searched SWALife and found the business travel policies for headquarters employees traveling for business. Here is what I found.

"Travelers must utilize the least expensive property in the moderate hotel category.

Domestic properties in this category include: Clarion, Courtyard, Crowne Plaza, Embassy Suites, Fairfield, Hampton Inn, Hilton, Holiday Inn, Homewood Suites, Hyatt Place, Marriott, and Sheraton"
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Old 10-17-2023 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
When I flew for a big discount retailer, the company had a strict limit on hotel costs. $100 per night unless at the primary airport under class B airspace, then $130 per night. Everybody was subject to those limits from pilots, to merchandisers, to lawyers, to (theoretically) the CEO.

I was curious if SWA had similar policies, so I searched SWALife and found the business travel policies for headquarters employees traveling for business. Here is what I found.

"Travelers must utilize the least expensive property in the moderate hotel category.

Domestic properties in this category include: Clarion, Courtyard, Crowne Plaza, Embassy Suites, Fairfield, Hampton Inn, Hilton, Holiday Inn, Homewood Suites, Hyatt Place, Marriott, and Sheraton"
Good for them, glad they are held to the same standard, however I would argue them traveling is far less frequent and considerably less detrimental to their job performance than us, therefore comparing the two is silly in my opinion.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Maybe I have selective memory, but it sure seemed to be about 90 days last go between AIP and ratified contract.
Went back through the SWAPA archives because I was curious also. Announced a AIP Aug 29, 2016. TA vote ended Nov 7, 2016.

2 mos and 9 days from AIP to Board Approval to Road Shows to Vote Ending.

IF we follow that timeline and an agreement is announced in Nov, it would get the company through the holiday season before the vote result is known.
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