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Old 12-01-2023 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gipple
A contract that makes Delta pilots say "damn, I wish we had that".
Kind of a low bar if you ask me.... don't get shiny keyed about certain aspects of their or any legacy contract for that matter. You want a nice crew meal in exchange for 5 day trips with 30 hour layovers in Bumfucville that includes redeyes, AM's and PM's in those 5 days? Like their ability to shift flying to their JV's and regionals? Like working 14-15 days off a month assuming no overlap? Don't let that A350 blind you to the rest....
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Old 12-01-2023 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gipple
A contract that makes Delta pilots say "damn, I wish we had that".
There are aspects of our current contract that already make my DL friends say that. I think the bar should be making all that left regret it.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8er
What % of delta pilots gets to upgrade to a 777 captian and for how many years in their entire career?
Zero.
350, 330 and 767-400 are the only "pure" Widebody categories we have.

What do I know, I'm just ER trash (757 and 767-300) who will never see a widebody Captain slot (hired at 39 in 2017)
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Old 12-01-2023 | 09:24 AM
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It’s not about rates for the equipment we fly, but for the efficiency and productivity we give.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
It’s not about rates for the equipment we fly, but for the efficiency and productivity we give.
Thats great. All you have to do now is convince the mediators and a company that is already on record as wanting to pay a “market rate” for the service provided. The market rate they’re going to look at is 737 pilots because, unfortunately, the industry doesn’t pay like UPS.

I intend to go to a roadshow and listen to the negotiating team explain how they came to whatever the actual rates are, and why they think that was the best they can do.

Then, as I’ve said a hundred times, I’m going to dig into the rest of the contract to see the stuff that really matters.

Only then will I make a decision.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 10:58 AM
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SWAPA is gearing up for some significant education on LCO. If you go to the union website contract q&a page, they have a really good breakdown on the data the SRC guys compiled that show how frequently the move up premium happens, and the math on why LCO is a better deal.

Yes, there will be times where you will end up with less after a move up with LCO. However, any time the reroute goes outside the original trip footprint the double time on those legs will add up quickly. That scenario happens way more frequently than a move up.

The real question is, how will the company adapt in order to minimize reroutes going forward?
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Old 12-01-2023 | 11:06 AM
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……. ….
Post was bad mannered

Last edited by Liberty; 12-01-2023 at 11:34 AM.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 11:20 AM
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I wonder if the new vacation bid has made it in the contract? Some say rates are out.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stitches
SWAPA is gearing up for some significant education on LCO. If you go to the union website contract q&a page, they have a really good breakdown on the data the SRC guys compiled that show how frequently the move up premium happens, and the math on why LCO is a better deal.

Yes, there will be times where you will end up with less after a move up with LCO. However, any time the reroute goes outside the original trip footprint the double time on those legs will add up quickly. That scenario happens way more frequently than a move up.

The real question is, how will the company adapt in order to minimize reroutes going forward?
Deltas new rules stack, and the number gets large in a hurry, especially on longer duty days. You want to make sure that the different forms of pay stack with one another, and don’t offset.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 12:19 PM
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I’m in favor of LCO.
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