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Old 10-18-2023 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
I dont buy this whole putting in ice thing. It's the boogeyman that nobody ever sees.
the company cannot afford to keep dragging this out. Investors are getting antsy.
Id think after nearly 4 yrs the nmb will come to the conclusion that it's never getting done.
look at ups drivers, they threatened strike and now people are lining up to work for them because they have the high6pay by far, health care workers went on strike for 3 days, auto workers are about to get a great deal also. I think the country is tired of corporations making all the money and squeezing the little guy. The mood has shifted.
I'm glad people are building their strike fund but AA stuck in 2005? And it lasted 14 min.
I doubt at 60 million a day sw will allow a strike to happen.
We need to call the bluff and get everything we want.

This 100 percent.


This place cannot handle a snowstorm, cost over 1.5 billion due to management. No way they could take on the airline being shut down, Blackrock has already had enough of how poorly they are running this company.


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Old 10-18-2023 | 02:43 AM
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I still say I'd like them to send any TA out minus the pay rates for 5 days. Let everybody digest the nuts and bolts and THEN release the pay rates.

that's the only way we will get people to look past the pay to the stuff that really matters.
Yes…..this!!!
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Old 10-18-2023 | 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
I dont buy this whole putting in ice thing. It's the boogeyman that nobody ever sees.
the company cannot afford to keep dragging this out. Investors are getting antsy.
Id think after nearly 4 yrs the nmb will come to the conclusion that it's never getting done.
look at ups drivers, they threatened strike and now people are lining up to work for them because they have the high6pay by far, health care workers went on strike for 3 days, auto workers are about to get a great deal also. I think the country is tired of corporations making all the money and squeezing the little guy. The mood has shifted.
I'm glad people are building their strike fund but AA stuck in 2005? And it lasted 14 min.
I doubt at 60 million a day sw will allow a strike to happen.
We need to call the bluff and get everything we want.
Spirit Airlines strike lasted 5 days. The Comair strike was nearly three months. But that said, I agree. My family has been saving for months - living on my salary and banking my wife’s. So we can certainly outlast the company at this point.

I’m more concerned about the NMB telling everybody to go to their corners for six months like they did with the FAs. Thankfully, the company started negotiating with the FAs again last week. Not that it matters at the end of the day, it’s just an undesirable outcome. A strike or a deal, either one is fine in my book. But six months of nothing would be frustrating.
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Old 10-18-2023 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Spirit Airlines strike lasted 5 days. The Comair strike was nearly three months. But that said, I agree. My family has been saving for months - living on my salary and banking my wife’s. So we can certainly outlast the company at this point.

I’m more concerned about the NMB telling everybody to go to their corners for six months like they did with the FAs. Thankfully, the company started negotiating with the FAs again last week. Not that it matters at the end of the day, it’s just an undesirable outcome. A strike or a deal, either one is fine in my book. But six months of nothing would be frustrating.
TWU 556 returned to the table (virtually) weeks ago. In their update on Friday, they reported that the mediator told them to go home and pack for another meeting that started on Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if they have an AIP by the end of the week. I also strongly believe management wants ALL contracts ratified by 12/31, but that could be wishful thinking.
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Old 10-18-2023 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by docav8tor
TWU 556 returned to the table (virtually) weeks ago. In their update on Friday, they reported that the mediator told them to go home and pack for another meeting that started on Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if they have an AIP by the end of the week. I also strongly believe management wants ALL contracts ratified by 12/31, but that could be wishful thinking.
https://vimeo.com/874243888/830c526257


The way the stock is tanking, by the end of the year it will be in the low teens. GK, has done one thing very well and that is try and kill WN
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Old 10-18-2023 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
ready to strike!

Unfortunately, I think it will be necessary to get management to realize how bad they have ticked off the pilot group.

Side benefit….. get to formalize who the scabs are .


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Should it come to a strike, do you think there will be a significant number of scabs? Even with a probably higher than normal level of company loyalty among the pilot group, it seems given the circumstances of this situation it would be much lower than say CAL '83 or UAL '85.
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Old 10-18-2023 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PiedmontYS11
Should it come to a strike, do you think there will be a significant number of scabs? Even with a probably higher than normal level of company loyalty among the pilot group, it seems given the circumstances of this situation it would be much lower than say CAL '83 or UAL '85.
Absolutely not. There might be a handful of scabs at best, but even 100 wouldn’t be enough to keep the airline chugging in any appreciable way.

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Old 10-18-2023 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PiedmontYS11
Should it come to a strike, do you think there will be a significant number of scabs? Even with a probably higher than normal level of company loyalty among the pilot group, it seems given the circumstances of this situation it would be much lower than say CAL '83 or UAL '85.
maybe 80 no-voters and 220 non-voters. I wonder if the company has a replacement worker plan in place, ala eastern.
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Old 10-18-2023 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
I wonder if the company has a replacement worker plan in place, ala eastern.
They can't fill classes with willing pilots today. You think they'll be able to scrounge up a few thousand pilots who will cross a picket line?!!

Not unless they've been secretly training HQ employees to fly airplanes on the sly.
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Old 10-18-2023 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
maybe 80 no-voters and 220 non-voters. I wonder if the company has a replacement worker plan in place, ala eastern.
With what qualified pilots? Remember, in 83-85 you had thousands of qualified out of work pilots that would slit each other’s throats to fly for a major Airline thanks to Uncle Sam and the end of the Vietnam War. I don’t think you could even find 500 that would be willing to do that in today’s job market when literally every Airline is hiring right now.
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