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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FleetSnarl
How long can the NMB put us on ice? Can the NMB be taken at its word if they tell us they're going to keep us on ice for such-and-such period of time? Does the NMB use pressure tactics?

Suggest you read this post from last year that goes into detail explaining the fallacy behind your statement regarding being iced and then having "no strike leverage to fall back on." Myths and bullsh** that cost you millions PS, I think Lew said sometime later that average time in mediation right now is around 700 days.

And found this post from RJS while searching for the above info:

I’ve read everything. If we turn down an industry leading contract, we won’t see another for a long time. New NC, nmb ice, age 67 and who knows what the economy will do. I’m not saying to accept a bad deall.. don’t think SWAPA would send one after this long.. but try and be intelligent enough (or find someone who is) to judge on its entirety and not your ego.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
I’ve read everything. If we turn down an industry leading contract, we won’t see another for a long time. New NC, nmb ice, age 67 and who knows what the economy will do. I’m not saying to accept a bad deall.. don’t think SWAPA would send one after this long.. but try and be intelligent enough (or find someone who is) to judge on its entirety and not your ego.
I like the way this guy thinks ^^^^^

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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
I’ve read everything. If we turn down an industry leading contract, we won’t see another for a long time. New NC, nmb ice, age 67 and who knows what the economy will do. I’m not saying to accept a bad deal, but try and be intelligent enough (or find someone who is) to judge on its entirety and not your ego.
Look it's the old "they'll put us on ice, they'll never let us strike, the sky is falling, time value of money" argument straight from management playbook.

Most of the rumored stuff is turdville. Flush it.

$12 BILLION dollars of stock buybacks.

Robbed our profit sharing to pay off management induced meltdown.

Gave themselves bonus right after.

Know your worth and if it's a turd vote NO.

Even the flight attendants stood tall.

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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
Look it's the old "they'll put us on ice, they'll never let us strike, the sky is falling, time value of money" argument straight from management playbook.

Most of the rumored stuff is turdville. Flush it.

$12 BILLION dollars of stock buybacks.

Robbed our profit sharing to pay off management induced meltdown.

Gave themselves bonus right after.

Know your worth and if it's a turd vote NO.

Even the flight attendants stood tall.

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I get the feeling nothing inside of reality would ever be good enough for you.

the FA’s blew it and made up a vote fraud to get a second chance to pass because they know it will also be a long time for them as well.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
I get the feeling nothing inside of reality would ever be good enough for you.

the FA’s blew it and made up a vote fraud to get a second chance to pass because they know it will also be a long time for them as well.
I'm willing to walk for what we are worth.

You seem to be advocating for lowering that worth because you are scared.

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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
I'm willing to walk for what we are worth.

You seem to be advocating for lowering that worth because you are scared.

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The market sets what we are worth, generally speaking. Just because we think it’s more, doesn’t make it reality. Industry leading, even if by 1% is still the highest paid NB in the world. Good luck fighting the NMB over that.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:41 PM
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My first contract. The front row seat to this has only reinforced my apprehension of the union and my view that my fellow pilots are spectacularly unimpressive at most things outside of simply flying. A few are unimpressive at that too. Here’s to the next ten years of complaining about our contract, the company running circles around language again, grievances piling up, and everybody claiming that they voted no. 😂 It will be different next time with swapa 3.0
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
I’ve read everything. If we turn down an industry leading contract, we won’t see another for a long time. New NC, nmb ice, age 67 and who knows what the economy will do. I’m not saying to accept a bad deall.. don’t think SWAPA would send one after this long.. but try and be intelligent enough (or find someone who is) to judge on its entirety and not your ego.
Good thing this isn't an industry leading contract so none of your concerns apply.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
I get the feeling nothing inside of reality would ever be good enough for you.

the FA’s blew it and made up a vote fraud to get a second chance to pass because they know it will also be a long time for them as well.
Maybe? But they are already industry leading. SWAPA is industry trailng so it's apples to oranges
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Old 12-19-2023 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
The market sets what we are worth, generally speaking. Just because we think it’s more, doesn’t make it reality. Industry leading, even if by 1% is still the highest paid NB in the world. Good luck fighting the NMB over that.
There you again with your "the sky is faling, they'll put us on ice, weakness".

The market DOES set the price and Southwest can't hire or retain enough quality candidates at "narrowbody" rates.

You can either realize this and get paid what you're worth..... or just tattoo "narrowbody" as your tramp stamp because that is where the company negotiators are putting it.

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