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Old 10-31-2024 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Fuseplug
Glad my dues are paying for this behind-the-scenes soap opera BS.

I'm growing tired of this union.
I am not really sure what everyone is up and arms about. Casey sent a letter telling us he removed J and more details to come.

J stupidly decides to make it public which any decent lawyer would say is the exact opposite thing you should do and worse, denied knowing anything about why they may have removed him.

Now that the door is opened the union clarifies some things with more to come.

Several points I would like to make.

1. Casey’s email was on point as we should be made aware that something is going on, especially right after an election.

2. Totally normal to hire outside counsel for things like this as it offers an objective viewpoint on the issue.

3. J should have kept his mouth shut and if indeed innocent the truth would have come out with the investigation. If at that point he has some evidence to the contrary he could present it.

4. I just don’t see Casey going on a witch hunt like this for no reason or zero evidence of wrong doing. It would only backfire on him if there wasn’t anything to this.

5. Lastly, if outside counsel did recommend the removal and investigation and our BOD/President ignored it, it would open us up to a lot of potential exposure down the road.

People just need to let this play out and the chips will fall where they may. I lean on the side that there is no way Casey goes down this road without a good bit of evidence or enough testimony that he identifies a risk to our money if they don’t investigate.

call me ignorant, gullible or stupid but that’s where I stand in this as of now. Who knows, maybe J is completely innocent and this is a witch hunt by I’m guessing no. Even people that do great things can make bad decisions and just because he fought hard for us doesn’t make him immune to being human.
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Old 10-31-2024 | 09:34 AM
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Sounds like J has had this relationship with a staffer for a while now, not new. Then after being allowed to run for president it was brought to light it could be a problem?
I dont get that. If it was he shouldn't be allowed to run. Personally I dont care. I dont see the issue.
problem was that J went a little nuclear stating he'd sue the union and tries to cover up the investigation.
maybe the answer is union work can only be for 1 yr with a yr on the line in between. These people get entrenched on the union teet and never want to leave.
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Old 10-31-2024 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
Sounds like J has had this relationship with a staffer for a while now, not new. Then after being allowed to run for president it was brought to light it could be a problem?
I dont get that. If it was he shouldn't be allowed to run. Personally I dont care. I dont see the issue.
problem was that J went a little nuclear stating he'd sue the union and tries to cover up the investigation.
maybe the answer is union work can only be for 1 yr with a yr on the line in between. These people get entrenched on the union teet and never want to leave.
Can we put this on the ballot?! Of course it'd probably be implemented like the vacation policy, 5 years from now.
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Old 10-31-2024 | 03:11 PM
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I voted for J, and while I believe it's shady for SWAPA to make this an issue after he wins, I think J needs to go. You can't be screwing the help. Management 101. The fact that J is fighting this demonstrates he is unfit for office. Wasn't an issue as the NC Chair, but as prez it most certainly is an issue. So J is gonna waste tens of thousands of dollars of our dues fighting something anyone with an ounce of leadership/management experience knows. It displays a complete disregard for the people he was elected to serve.

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Old 10-31-2024 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KPer
I voted for J, and while I believe it's shady for SWAPA to make this an issue after he wins, I think J needs to go. You can't be screwing the help. Management 101. The fact that J is fighting this demonstrates he is unfit for office. Wasn't an issue as the NC Chair, but as prez it most certainly is an issue. So J is gonna waste tens of thousands of dollars of our dues fighting something anyone with an ounce of leadership/management experience knows. It displays a complete disregard for the people he was elected to serve.
I don’t understand how in the F they didn’t know this beforehand? All the legal “experts” in the office?
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Old 10-31-2024 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I don’t understand how in the F they didn’t know this beforehand? All the legal “experts” in the office?
why was it their responsibility to inform him ahead of time? Why didn't Jody know??? It's the 5th bullet in the Presidnets job description. Did he not read it?
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Old 10-31-2024 | 06:00 PM
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This whole thing smells of dysfunction and a complete lack of foresight and vetting. A candidate, knowing that he was in a relationship with someone he will have direct control over, ran for office. A union, complete with professional staff and experinced board members failed to notice that this was happening? That indicates to me a complete breakdown in the process.

Now the problem has been identified after the fact and all parties are retreating to their corners to gear up for a fight. Guess who loses this battle? Still wondering? Go look in the mirror. This is an embarrassment.

We have a president elect (who I endorsed on here) that is in a position where he basically cannot serve because of a romantic relationship with someone who could, as of right now, sue the union and win.

DO NOT DIP YOUR PEN IN THE COMPANY INK. It's rule number one for anyone in a leadership position. It's so freaking basic and yet so hard for so many to get through their thick skulls.

This is going to cost the union untold dollars in legal fees and settlement costs. It makes SWAPA look like a freaking amateur hour, and completely destroys the reputation that this crew has built since 2015. I am super disappointed. I think J needs to step down voluntarily and the warring parties need to meet and do what is in the best interest of the 11k pilots who keep the lights on and pay the BOD. It's time to clean house in the next elections.
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Old 10-31-2024 | 06:21 PM
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Election results delayed, on election night, due to counting issues. Candidates with smelly baggage withheld until after the election. People demanding that we should have known before the election and it would have changed the results. The redistribution of wealth from the people to the corrupt. Rumors of more corruption. Sounds really familiar!!! The union is another layer of government. Simple and unchanging truth!
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Old 10-31-2024 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
why was it their responsibility to inform him ahead of time? Why didn't Jody know??? It's the 5th bullet in the Presidnets job description. Did he not read it?
Isn’t it their responsibility? Sure, his too. The unions first responsibility is to its membership.
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Old 10-31-2024 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
Isn’t it their responsibility? Sure, his too. The unions first responsibility is to its membership.
Agreed. And the threat to the membership became real once the election results were in. And thats when Casey took the first step to protect the membership. We don't know what efforts were made behind the scenes to prevent this from blowing up. Going public with it could have been a last resort move by Casey.
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