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Old 11-02-2024 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude
Wouldn’t professional standards be a good place to start? I’m sure they have some contacts in the controllers union.
Maybe for a personal issue, but this guy is issuing instructions that are going to get someone hurt or in trouble.
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Old 11-02-2024 | 05:28 AM
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I'll echo what e6b said... no reason to get into a pi$$ing contest with ATC and getting famous. The ATC version of "expedite" and mine may match, but may not... we are responsible for the safety and operation of our aircraft. If that doesn't align with ATC's vision and especially if some controller loses their cool over it, it's a simple explanation using the words such as UNABLE or "will do our best" followed by ASAP if you feel it's appropriate. No reason for johnson measuring that would invariably end up on YouTube or Facebook.
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Old 11-02-2024 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
I'll echo what e6b said... no reason to get into a pi$$ing contest with ATC and getting famous. The ATC version of "expedite" and mine may match, but may not... we are responsible for the safety and operation of our aircraft. If that doesn't align with ATC's vision and especially if some controller loses their cool over it, it's a simple explanation using the words such as UNABLE or "will do our best" followed by ASAP if you feel it's appropriate. No reason for johnson measuring that would invariably end up on YouTube or Facebook.
If you feel unsafe after a taxi clearance, stop the aircraft.
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Old 11-04-2024 | 02:56 PM
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The default to "expedite" should almost always be "unable". Saying anything beyond "unable" ought to involve a bit of thoughtful crew coordination. "Standby" works if you need a little time to figure out if it's safe to expedite. If you can't properly crew coordinate compliance with an expedite request then that should tell you right away that the correct reply is "unable".
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Old 11-04-2024 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr
The default to "expedite" should almost always be "unable". Saying anything beyond "unable" ought to involve a bit of thoughtful crew coordination. "Standby" works if you need a little time to figure out if it's safe to expedite. If you can't properly crew coordinate compliance with an expedite request then that should tell you right away that the correct reply is "unable".
Agreed. Controllers seem to be getting in the habit of full taxi instructions while we still have reversers deployed. I have just stopped responding when they do this or ask for clarification once off.
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Old 11-04-2024 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Agreed. Controllers seem to be getting in the habit of full taxi instructions while we still have reversers deployed. I have just stopped responding when they do this or ask for clarification once off.
^ this right here. There's a huge difference in exit left at Whiskey 6 contact ground versus full-on taxi clearances while the CA is monitoring deceleration and calling out 60 knots, I'm trying to stow the reversers, and the CA is taking control of the aircraft. There is a lot of intricate things going on there and trying to pay attention to left at November 2, left on Charlie, cross Runway XX and hold short of Gulf is not one of the things I care about. Next time that happens, I am going to ignore them until we have safely exitied the runway.
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Old 11-05-2024 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 123AB
^ this right here. There's a huge difference in exit left at Whiskey 6 contact ground versus full-on taxi clearances while the CA is monitoring deceleration and calling out 60 knots, I'm trying to stow the reversers, and the CA is taking control of the aircraft. There is a lot of intricate things going on there and trying to pay attention to left at November 2, left on Charlie, cross Runway XX and hold short of Gulf is not one of the things I care about. Next time that happens, I am going to ignore them until we have safely exitied the runway.
I’m tickled to hear that others are fighting back at this lunacy by way of ignoring them until you’ve slowed to a safe taxi speed.
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Old 11-05-2024 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Agreed. Controllers seem to be getting in the habit of full taxi instructions while we still have reversers deployed. I have just stopped responding when they do this or ask for clarification once off.
exactly. We dont say or start our after landing flow till clearing the runway. Anything said to me while on the runway gets ignored.
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Old 11-05-2024 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
exactly. We dont say or start our after landing flow till clearing the runway. Anything said to me while on the runway gets ignored.
Good policy. Unfortunately, we are our own worst enemy sometimes by trying to help out. Answering ATC taxi instructions while on the runway during a critical phase of flight just isn’t a good idea. Would we acknowledge a heading, altitude or frequency change while on the takeoff roll accelerating? Of course not. No different on the landing phase.
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Old 11-05-2024 | 02:07 PM
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Getting into a ****ing match on frequency with a controller works about the same as one with a gate agent.
You lose.
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