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Liberty 08-29-2025 01:33 AM

This doesn’t make any sense at all. What are the chances he received a negative internal report from a SWA employee? I’m completely making that up but there must be something else to this story.

123AB 08-29-2025 02:27 AM


Originally Posted by Liberty (Post 3943381)
This doesn’t make any sense at all. What are the chances he received a negative internal report from a SWA employee? I’m completely making that up but there must be something else to this story.

As far as my friend, I doubt it. He's a good average dude that doesn't rub people the wrong way. If you're referring to the other poor soul that posted a similar story, I have no insight although I feel terrible for him as well. During the logbook review, my friend said it suddenly felt like a critical interview experience all over again. I can only guess, but perhaps the interview folks felt compelled to crack down since they only have 140 slots to give out. Honestly though, I don't know.

Cyio 08-29-2025 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by 123AB (Post 3943384)
As far as my friend, I doubt it. He's a good average dude that doesn't rub people the wrong way. If you're referring to the other poor soul that posted a similar story, I have no insight although I feel terrible for him as well. During the logbook review, my friend said it suddenly felt like a critical interview experience all over again. I can only guess, but perhaps the interview folks felt compelled to crack down since they only have 140 slots to give out. Honestly though, I don't know.

I think this is probably the answer. When all these folks went through a couple of years ago, airlines were hiring zero TPIC pilots with wet ATPs. Now, it's my opinion that the market has constricted substantially in terms of what airlines are looking for, or at least what we are looking for in off-the-street hires. I disagree with it, but with only 140 slots, it lets them be very picky.

waterskisabersw 08-29-2025 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3943392)
I think this is probably the answer. When all these folks went through a couple of years ago, airlines were hiring zero TPIC pilots with wet ATPs. Now, it's my opinion that the market has constricted substantially in terms of what airlines are looking for, or at least what we are looking for in off-the-street hires. I disagree with it, but with only 140 slots, it lets them be very picky.

We're also post OPS Day so I think that failures, especially 121 failures, are being scrutinized much more heavily. That was a common theme with both of the TBNTs in this thread.

Proximity 08-29-2025 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by waterskisabersw;[url=tel:3943395
3943395[/url]]We're also post OPS Day so I think that failures, especially 121 failures, are being scrutinized much more heavily. That was a common theme with both of the TBNTs in this thread.

I am totally on board with bringing in people with mote experience now the market for pilots has changed.

What is 100% not okay is holding people in a pool then making them reinterview. The right thing to do would have been to flush the pool and just take new applicants.

e6bpilot 08-29-2025 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 3943415)
I am totally on board with bringing in people with mote experience now the market for pilots has changed.

What is 100% not okay is holding people in a pool then making them reinterview. The right thing to do would have been to flush the pool and just take new applicants.

Totally agree. This is my only problem with it. I can get the guy who had a subsequent 121 failure, but someone who already got hired and has been clean since? That's grade a BS. You can't keep your promise to one group of people (225) and not another.

WHACKMASTER 08-29-2025 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by ToTheTabs (Post 3943318)
I do now...

Smart man (or woman). 👍

WHACKMASTER 08-29-2025 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by 123AB (Post 3943364)
Sadly, I can confirm they are not honoring all of the CJOs that were given out and then told "keep improving yourself and you still have a CJO once we start hiring again". I know someone that went through the logbook review last week and was then turned away. Since receiving the first CJO in Nov 2023, he successfully upgraded to CA (Part 121) and flew 850+ hours PIC. His upgrade was clean, no issues. He did have one training failure almost four years ago and that was disclosed and discussed in his first interview back in Nov 2023. He had to discuss it again during his logbook review last week and felt good about how he handled the questions. He was told they would be in touch after considering everything and 3 days later he received a TBNT email with a "you can reapply again in a year".

He was devastated. He had been charging hard since the first CJO, had a perfect record since then, and assumed that doing so would land him a class date when the time came.

His approximate stats:
4,100TT
2,050 Part 121
850+ Part 121 PIC
400 Twin Turboprop PIC
Only failure ever was needing to repeat a MV during initial at his regional

Uneffing believable! That is such an unethical move on the company’s part. I hope your friend gets hired at a Legacy next year and looks back at the whole thing with a feeling of relief that he won’t be sitting as an FO in the 737 for 8-10 years.

Hopefully he’s a captain or WB FO in a few years. I’m constantly amazed that anyone would pick this place over the opportunities that the Legacies offer.

WHACKMASTER 08-29-2025 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3943392)
I think this is probably the answer. When all these folks went through a couple of years ago, airlines were hiring zero TPIC pilots with wet ATPs. Now, it's my opinion that the market has constricted substantially in terms of what airlines are looking for, or at least what we are looking for in off-the-street hires. I disagree with it, but with only 140 slots, it lets them be very picky.

Which makes even more inexperienced Destination 225 hires who need to be babysat even more legit, huh? What a crock of….

at6d 08-29-2025 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3943435)
Which makes even more inexperienced Destination 225 hires who need to be babysat even more legit, huh? What a crock of….

100% correct. I flew with several new hires that were downright pathetic (not 225) in aviating ability. These folks would not have qualified for the regionals in 1999 and it showed.

Remember the announcement that they identified something like 40 pilots that were assigned to fly with a check airman for X amount of additional time?

the company shoots itself in the face and continues this rediculous push for inexperienced people while waving away qualified people i want to fly with.


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